My heart likes the idea, but after thinking of Walter wrestling with the whole "We may have been fighting the wrong enemy all along." thing, I think Buchannan is a fair stand in.
In 2024, the Dude definitely has a falling out with Walter over Gaza.
Looking back fondly on his SDS days & in between pads, the Dude hangs out at the UCLA encampment before being rousted by Walter & a mob of Beverly Hills Persian Jews.
Walter Sobchak moves to the OC, fights and defeats a Mexican cartel (with the help of Pilar's nephew, his new sidekick), runs for Congress and wins, is well-known for his hardline against illegal aliens (he is the Californian Joe Arpaio), loses election in the 2000s but becomes famous for smashing up the windows of his opponent's car (which turns out to be Darrell Issa's car), is later chosen to be Trump's border czar, and when JD Vance dies from eating some bad chicken tandoori, is made VP.
This is exactly the kind of insightful commentary that I need in these insane times. Just seeing the movie poster of Logjammin' put me in an incredible mood.
Gen-X Professor in my law school used characters and themes from The Big Lebowski in the exam’s hypothetical. As a fellow Gen-X’er attending law school for a career change (read: middle-aged dilettante) I was just about the only student who recognized that and answered accordingly.
“The plaintiffs will likely argue XYZ, but that’s just, like, their opinion, man.”
“When the case proceeds to trial, it’s not ‘Nam. There are rules.”
And so forth. Got a middling grade, as I recall, but I like to think the professor was entertained. Meanwhile all the 20-something gunners were obsessively Encyclopedia-Browning their way through meaningless pop culture allusions. (“What was the issue with the rug? I couldn’t figure out how that was relevant…”) Good times…
Sorry to say, Professor didn't grade it. It was his grad students, who likely were not up on the references and so might have thought your answers out-of-left field.
Sorry, you're right, I meant the professor's 2L and 3L interns. I was mixing up law school with undergrad. Same principle applies tho': professors don't grade their papers, they just get the students who've already completed the course to do it.
The Dude votes against The Man so may have moved from Clinton/Gore to Trump/Vance. Or maybe he’s just a Stein voter.
Donny is highly swayed by arguments around prudence and propriety so was a Bush/Quayle-Harris/Walz voter, as for Liz Cheney-ish reasons were Lebowski and Brandt. Donny liked the Walz pick for representing guys like him.
I see the two cops as being staunch and unchanging Republicans (Malibu police chief) and Democrats (Ramos) respectively.
The interesting question to me is where the pervert vote (Jesus/Treehorn/Hungus/Knox/Bunny) ended up. Obviously Clinton in 92 but were they swayed by the more sotto voce promises of the Trump/Musk coalition in 2024? Maybe Karl Hungus was one of the sweaty middle-aged men pretending to be a Trump voter in the “weird” Kamala ad?
What they did to Quayle on his IQ borders on slander. Especially since he was the last highest-ranking person in office who raised the culture war attack against single mothers/banishing fathers from Hollywood programming. Quayle's complaints about Murphy Brown's depiction of single motherhood as a positive were spot on, and Brown's success opened a floodgate of single mom/divorce movies and TV shows making it seem like the lack of a biological 2-parent household wasn't going to hurt kids.
So is this a real 'film buff' movie? I remember seeing it a few years ago and not getting the point, but I'm guessing people who really like movies pick up on all kinds of subtle things I was missing?
Hardcore fans speak of Big Lebowski as having spiritual themes. I think a group of Internet-fans tried to create a theology around it.
The more important reason for its popularity may be that people felt it captured something important of the 1990s. Such people would not see it as only a zany movie with zany characters. Steve Sailer asking how these 1990s-archetypes would have evolved to the 2020s is not a random selection.
What about characters only mentioned, like the Baby Dude matriculating (Hank Stram reference) in Maud's womb? I'm thinking he (and it's definitely a 'he') turns out like Alex Keaton on Family Ties. He obviously can't vote in the Bush/Clinton election but he's now Steve Bannon's lawyer and will be the head of Trump's Office of Legal Counsel tasked with cleansing the DoJ of enemies of the state.
Walter would have written in Pat Buchannan.
Walter would've written in Patton if he was alive.
My heart likes the idea, but after thinking of Walter wrestling with the whole "We may have been fighting the wrong enemy all along." thing, I think Buchannan is a fair stand in.
"Say what you will about national socialism, Dude, but at least its an ethos."
"... a worthy fuckin' ethos."
He's Jewish (now), so nah.
Trump I could *definitely* see.
In 2024, the Dude definitely has a falling out with Walter over Gaza.
Looking back fondly on his SDS days & in between pads, the Dude hangs out at the UCLA encampment before being rousted by Walter & a mob of Beverly Hills Persian Jews.
If either of the Coen Bros. are reading the comments, please make this happen.
Walter Sobchak moves to the OC, fights and defeats a Mexican cartel (with the help of Pilar's nephew, his new sidekick), runs for Congress and wins, is well-known for his hardline against illegal aliens (he is the Californian Joe Arpaio), loses election in the 2000s but becomes famous for smashing up the windows of his opponent's car (which turns out to be Darrell Issa's car), is later chosen to be Trump's border czar, and when JD Vance dies from eating some bad chicken tandoori, is made VP.
TRUMP/SOBCHAK 2024
The Jesus can’t vote because he’s a convicted felon.
That's just a nasty rumor, Dude.
No, he's a sex offender. With a record. He served 6 months in Chino for exposing himself to an eight year old.
But, this is California in 2024, Walter, not in 1990. We don't disenfranchise felons just for being flashers.
Eight-year-olds, Dude.
I heard he has to go door to door telling his neighbors he's a sex offender.
that one second scene make me laugh out loud just thinking about it
California allows convicted felons to vote, unless they're actually in prison at the time.
For that matter, most states do, although a few have more specific rules for which felons regain voting rights and when.
Is Karl Hungus a citizen?
......
That joke was dry as a bone. Thank you.
Brandt (Bush/ Harris) & the Mexican Impound Cop (Clinton/ Trump) seem like the clearest realignment voters here.
I wonder about Brandt. Total repressed masculinity energy, I could see him voting Trump and telling everyone he voted for Harris.
Since Donnie is dead doesn't that mean he votes Harris by default?
The Donnie abides...
I've seen the movie at least five times over the years and I have no opinion
This is exactly the kind of insightful commentary that I need in these insane times. Just seeing the movie poster of Logjammin' put me in an incredible mood.
This is the funniest poll I’ve ever seen
It's the minor characters that make it.
Who else could we vote on?
I never really got the Dude's landlord.
Jon Polito's Fellow Shamus is OK.
Maybe Little Larry Sellers' granddad, the showrunner for Chuck Connors' "Branded" in the iron lung, would be somebody whose vote we need to consider.
Brother Shamus? An Irish monk?
Gen-X Professor in my law school used characters and themes from The Big Lebowski in the exam’s hypothetical. As a fellow Gen-X’er attending law school for a career change (read: middle-aged dilettante) I was just about the only student who recognized that and answered accordingly.
“The plaintiffs will likely argue XYZ, but that’s just, like, their opinion, man.”
“When the case proceeds to trial, it’s not ‘Nam. There are rules.”
And so forth. Got a middling grade, as I recall, but I like to think the professor was entertained. Meanwhile all the 20-something gunners were obsessively Encyclopedia-Browning their way through meaningless pop culture allusions. (“What was the issue with the rug? I couldn’t figure out how that was relevant…”) Good times…
Sorry to say, Professor didn't grade it. It was his grad students, who likely were not up on the references and so might have thought your answers out-of-left field.
Grad students in law school? What does that mean?
Sorry, you're right, I meant the professor's 2L and 3L interns. I was mixing up law school with undergrad. Same principle applies tho': professors don't grade their papers, they just get the students who've already completed the course to do it.
The Dude votes against The Man so may have moved from Clinton/Gore to Trump/Vance. Or maybe he’s just a Stein voter.
Donny is highly swayed by arguments around prudence and propriety so was a Bush/Quayle-Harris/Walz voter, as for Liz Cheney-ish reasons were Lebowski and Brandt. Donny liked the Walz pick for representing guys like him.
I see the two cops as being staunch and unchanging Republicans (Malibu police chief) and Democrats (Ramos) respectively.
The interesting question to me is where the pervert vote (Jesus/Treehorn/Hungus/Knox/Bunny) ended up. Obviously Clinton in 92 but were they swayed by the more sotto voce promises of the Trump/Musk coalition in 2024? Maybe Karl Hungus was one of the sweaty middle-aged men pretending to be a Trump voter in the “weird” Kamala ad?
Trump all the way. Feminists hate male sexuality, perverted or otherwise.
"Donny liked the Walz pick for representing guys like him."
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Typo in poll: "Brandt (Philip Seymour Hoffman) in 1992" has "Trump/Quayle" as a choice. (Interesting alt-universe idea...)
What they did to Quayle on his IQ borders on slander. Especially since he was the last highest-ranking person in office who raised the culture war attack against single mothers/banishing fathers from Hollywood programming. Quayle's complaints about Murphy Brown's depiction of single motherhood as a positive were spot on, and Brown's success opened a floodgate of single mom/divorce movies and TV shows making it seem like the lack of a biological 2-parent household wasn't going to hurt kids.
Dan Quayle (b.1947) endorsed DJT in 2016 but declined to endorse in 2020 and 2024. Why?
Likely got taken out back by the party elites and told something.
So is this a real 'film buff' movie? I remember seeing it a few years ago and not getting the point, but I'm guessing people who really like movies pick up on all kinds of subtle things I was missing?
Hardcore fans speak of Big Lebowski as having spiritual themes. I think a group of Internet-fans tried to create a theology around it.
The more important reason for its popularity may be that people felt it captured something important of the 1990s. Such people would not see it as only a zany movie with zany characters. Steve Sailer asking how these 1990s-archetypes would have evolved to the 2020s is not a random selection.
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I have not looked yet, but the polls are going on X, right?
What about characters only mentioned, like the Baby Dude matriculating (Hank Stram reference) in Maud's womb? I'm thinking he (and it's definitely a 'he') turns out like Alex Keaton on Family Ties. He obviously can't vote in the Bush/Clinton election but he's now Steve Bannon's lawyer and will be the head of Trump's Office of Legal Counsel tasked with cleansing the DoJ of enemies of the state.