“Steve Sailer […] believes […] interracial marriage is wrong”
I think this claim is out-and-out false. I’ve never read any moral critique by Steve of interracial marriage per se, all he does is identify certain patterns around it.
It's like when people ask me my opinion of some esoteric version of IVF: well, I'm in favor of Americans having babies in general, so I'm not going to worry much about some subsidiary question.
The idea may have been if the first group of fetuses were carried to birth and then adopted, there would have been less need to do IVFs? To that, the parents of the 2nd group would probably reply that biology is nine tenths selfishness and one better accept it and shut the f**k up.
No one is telling you to shut up. But your right to speak doesn't include a right to demand I be an audience for you. Wanting your kids to be your own offspring doesn't strike me as selfishness any more than discarding fertilized eggs strikes me as evil and, no, I don't need to hear out your weird opinions on the subject..
It's not "abortion" as such. And it's not my "opinion" of IVF. It's just how IVF works:
1. Fertilize a bunch of eggs (i.e., conceive a bunch of fetuses).
2. Select the one you like.
3. Throw out (i.e., kill) the rest.
The ratio of fetuses (i.e. lives) in step 3 compared to step 2 is about 13:1. Thirteen die to get you your one.
Of course, the IVF industry doesn't use the terms in parentheses because it might result in people getting an accurate idea of how the industry works.
P.S. Those thirteen killed for each IVF baby are not counted in abortion statistics. Presently they compose and extra million or so feticides in the US, so if they were included in abortion stats, the reported abortion rate would double. Since IVF conception is steadily going up, IVF feticides will dwarf the 'classic' abortion rate before long.
I see. The “in IVF” bit needed highlighting. But for less fertilized-egg-dedicated people than you (the vast majority) the “evil” of discarding them isn’t as obvious as you apparently assume it ought to be, so the lack of interest isn’t as mysterious as you implied it was.
Fetuses in a petri-dish are not lives, because without replacing them into the womb they would never develop into salient human beings. In fact, one doesn't need to kill them - just keeping them developing in the petri-dish after 6 days instead of putting them into deep-freeze ensures that they will no longer be able to implant.
Would you be willing to address any of her claims? Are you a "public figure"? I would think you are. Still, that article reeks of "actual malice". Perhaps you should sue for defamation.
Also looks like defamation to me. Being a public figure makes it much harder to sue for defamation. However - as you note - if “actual malice” is provably present, then there’s actionable damages even for a public figure. It’s necessary to show that the defamatory statements are not only false but KNOWINGLY false. That’s a tough threshold. If I were Steve, I’d respond to this guy (publicly if possible) and delineate each of his statements which are demonstrably false and why and let him know you expect him to correct the record. At that point he has been informed specifically how he is making false statements and can’t claim ignorance about their falsity.
Steve would be considered a public figure since he’s started giving speeches.
The Wiki article on that case says: “The Supreme Court has since extended Sullivan's higher legal standard for defamation to all "public figures". This has made it extremely difficult for a public figure to win a defamation lawsuit in the United States.”
With a public figure, need to show “actual malice” or “reckless disregard” for the truth. Higher threshold for sure, but happens all the time. The bigger question is whether it’s worth it.
I believe the Atlanta newspaper tried to claim Richard Jewell, the hero of the '96 Atlanta Olympics [edit: because he'd been interviewed on TV], was a public figure during his defamation suit, which he finally lost in 2011, four years after his death. Everyone else settled.
"So, hopefully, I’ll finally get a chance to display CDC data graphs to raise awareness about how American elites’ promotion of Black Lives Matter’s agenda got many thousands of incremental black lives killed in shootings and car crashes:"
Bingo! This is whole point of her rant.
Shriek racist, racist, racist, so that no once notices, notices, notices.
Said Socrates, who of course would be chased out of American academia in a heartbeat once he broke out his famous scalpel and dug into Crit Theory and all its metaphysical emanations around Race and Queerness. If there are any searchers for wisdom left in our country, the last place they'd be is strolling the rotting groves of academe, where one must either convert to the faith of White Saviorism or be denounced and banished. Forcing blasphemers to either recant or face the wrath of the state is the only commonalty between the ancient agora and our state-subsidized Woke sandboxes.
But then again Socrates was a pederast like the founding father of modern American thought, Michel Foucault. Maybe he could claim membership in a protected class.
Don't you know it's racist to care more about the deaths of black toddlers killed in gang crossfire than the death of a single lowlife who died while resisting arrest?
"once-renowned institution"? If I may snob for a moment...never heard of it until Steve's was invited.
Also, what is this dude's problem with the Visigoths? Sure they weren't adept at fighting in formation but after the Romans they had some good years before it fell apart --- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visigothic_Kingdom
When I went to New College, some faculty invited movie star predators and drug-addled mind-blowers like Tim Leary to campus, and undergrads were plied with experimental varients of MDMA thanks to Rick Doblin, who founded MAPS. Several had psychotic breakdowns or manifested schizophrenia and other psychological diseases. Or went blind temporarily. I ground a groove, as it were, driving crazy people to The Palms, the local inpatient psychotherapy clinic. Still, I got an amazing education in the British tutorial system for $1200 a semester. There were extraordinary teachers, a ratio of 11 to one when I was there. And taxpayers deserve all credit for that, and got none.
And it only grew worse. I moved back to the area in 2007 and tried to start a local history project. The campus was full of anorectic, drug-addled boys dressed like girls, wearing the MAPS logo, and angry butch girls quoting Judith Butler.
Unfortunately, the people brought in by the governor did little to create a smooth transition back. Mark Rufo and Mark Bauerlein (disclosure - a dissertation director of mine) bigfooted around campus and didn't seek allies, ignored legal meeting rules, ignored the history of the institution of the institution, and did more harm than good with stupid ideas. Now it's just war. That will not help this unique college lose the crapola and return to real education.
Everyone needs to grow the heck up. The school belongs to the taxpayers. Dumb sports teams won't lure serious male scholars. SAT scores and a reformed curriculum and stringently non-DEI hiring will. Challenging students to listen to people like Steve Sailer will. Listening to taxpayers will. It was once a great place to get a Great Books program for pennies on the dollar. It can be again. Start over. There are plenty of STEM geniuses and realistic political graduates who understand the school's past and future.
Bauerlein and Rufo are as bad as what they're trying to replace. Rugby to increase academic excellence? Oh, come on.
Interesting comment. Can you explain, though, what is "the MAPS logo"? Search results of the term tend to show a Google Maps icon, which I don't think is what you mean.
Well, if Leary were still alive and involved, it would be. Doblin is actually a very personally pleasant man. But on the campus some years back, I found it disturbing to see so many anorectic-looking, strung out young men in MAPS shirts. God only knows what they were giving them.
“Steve Sailer […] believes […] interracial marriage is wrong”
I think this claim is out-and-out false. I’ve never read any moral critique by Steve of interracial marriage per se, all he does is identify certain patterns around it.
I'm in favor of people getting married.
It's like when people ask me my opinion of some esoteric version of IVF: well, I'm in favor of Americans having babies in general, so I'm not going to worry much about some subsidiary question.
> I'm in favor of Americans having babies in general, so I'm not going to worry much about some subsidiary question.
Careful, a lot of evil can sneak in that way.
As they say, the devil is in the details.
Agree. I've tried to make this point before given the 13:1 ratio of fetuses slaughtered to fetuses birthed in IVF, but few seem interested.
Maybe the interest would increase if you made your point less obscure. What is the connection between the abortion rate and your opinion of IVFs?
The idea may have been if the first group of fetuses were carried to birth and then adopted, there would have been less need to do IVFs? To that, the parents of the 2nd group would probably reply that biology is nine tenths selfishness and one better accept it and shut the f**k up.
No one is telling you to shut up. But your right to speak doesn't include a right to demand I be an audience for you. Wanting your kids to be your own offspring doesn't strike me as selfishness any more than discarding fertilized eggs strikes me as evil and, no, I don't need to hear out your weird opinions on the subject..
It's not "abortion" as such. And it's not my "opinion" of IVF. It's just how IVF works:
1. Fertilize a bunch of eggs (i.e., conceive a bunch of fetuses).
2. Select the one you like.
3. Throw out (i.e., kill) the rest.
The ratio of fetuses (i.e. lives) in step 3 compared to step 2 is about 13:1. Thirteen die to get you your one.
Of course, the IVF industry doesn't use the terms in parentheses because it might result in people getting an accurate idea of how the industry works.
P.S. Those thirteen killed for each IVF baby are not counted in abortion statistics. Presently they compose and extra million or so feticides in the US, so if they were included in abortion stats, the reported abortion rate would double. Since IVF conception is steadily going up, IVF feticides will dwarf the 'classic' abortion rate before long.
I see. The “in IVF” bit needed highlighting. But for less fertilized-egg-dedicated people than you (the vast majority) the “evil” of discarding them isn’t as obvious as you apparently assume it ought to be, so the lack of interest isn’t as mysterious as you implied it was.
Fetuses in a petri-dish are not lives, because without replacing them into the womb they would never develop into salient human beings. In fact, one doesn't need to kill them - just keeping them developing in the petri-dish after 6 days instead of putting them into deep-freeze ensures that they will no longer be able to implant.
Would you be willing to address any of her claims? Are you a "public figure"? I would think you are. Still, that article reeks of "actual malice". Perhaps you should sue for defamation.
Also looks like defamation to me. Being a public figure makes it much harder to sue for defamation. However - as you note - if “actual malice” is provably present, then there’s actionable damages even for a public figure. It’s necessary to show that the defamatory statements are not only false but KNOWINGLY false. That’s a tough threshold. If I were Steve, I’d respond to this guy (publicly if possible) and delineate each of his statements which are demonstrably false and why and let him know you expect him to correct the record. At that point he has been informed specifically how he is making false statements and can’t claim ignorance about their falsity.
The author is a girl--well, an old bat my age.
He/Her/She/Him/They/Them/This/That/There/Them/It?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diane_Roberts
https://floridaphoenix.com/author/diane-roberts/
https://www.theatlantic.com/author/diane-roberts/
https://english.fsu.edu/faculty/diane-roberts
Not just defamation, but given given the left's record of campus violence, the term "incitement" ought to appear in the suit.
Very hard to prove in the US given the First Amendment.
As interpreted by SCOTUS in NYT v. Sullivan
Steve would be considered a public figure since he’s started giving speeches.
The Wiki article on that case says: “The Supreme Court has since extended Sullivan's higher legal standard for defamation to all "public figures". This has made it extremely difficult for a public figure to win a defamation lawsuit in the United States.”
With a public figure, need to show “actual malice” or “reckless disregard” for the truth. Higher threshold for sure, but happens all the time. The bigger question is whether it’s worth it.
I believe the Atlanta newspaper tried to claim Richard Jewell, the hero of the '96 Atlanta Olympics [edit: because he'd been interviewed on TV], was a public figure during his defamation suit, which he finally lost in 2011, four years after his death. Everyone else settled.
I think it reaches the actual malice threshold. But Sarasota judges are so far left, why bother?
"So, hopefully, I’ll finally get a chance to display CDC data graphs to raise awareness about how American elites’ promotion of Black Lives Matter’s agenda got many thousands of incremental black lives killed in shootings and car crashes:"
Bingo! This is whole point of her rant.
Shriek racist, racist, racist, so that no once notices, notices, notices.
The Communist PR campaign to defame truthtellers continues unabated, come Hades or (as here) high water.
"The wise are doubtful."
Said Socrates, who of course would be chased out of American academia in a heartbeat once he broke out his famous scalpel and dug into Crit Theory and all its metaphysical emanations around Race and Queerness. If there are any searchers for wisdom left in our country, the last place they'd be is strolling the rotting groves of academe, where one must either convert to the faith of White Saviorism or be denounced and banished. Forcing blasphemers to either recant or face the wrath of the state is the only commonalty between the ancient agora and our state-subsidized Woke sandboxes.
But then again Socrates was a pederast like the founding father of modern American thought, Michel Foucault. Maybe he could claim membership in a protected class.
Don't you know it's racist to care more about the deaths of black toddlers killed in gang crossfire than the death of a single lowlife who died while resisting arrest?
*smitten
This makes me glad to have a kid at a Florida college! Sounds like things are going in the right direction there! Not so where I'm at in Vermont...
ah yes the green mountain state of straite up stupid. even addison county has middlebury the woke nexus of commutard.
Steve, my mother was a teenager in the 1950's. She always said the '50's were a wonderful time.
"once-renowned institution"? If I may snob for a moment...never heard of it until Steve's was invited.
Also, what is this dude's problem with the Visigoths? Sure they weren't adept at fighting in formation but after the Romans they had some good years before it fell apart --- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visigothic_Kingdom
Diane Roberts: slanderer, Visigothiphobe, and inciter to riot.
Just more gum sewage from bubblegum mind
> "Visigoth-style 'leadership'”
"Visigoth-style"? Where do I sign up?
> "generally have done their damnedest to turn the clock back to 1950."
Holy smokes! Can I donate to this effort?
When I went to New College, some faculty invited movie star predators and drug-addled mind-blowers like Tim Leary to campus, and undergrads were plied with experimental varients of MDMA thanks to Rick Doblin, who founded MAPS. Several had psychotic breakdowns or manifested schizophrenia and other psychological diseases. Or went blind temporarily. I ground a groove, as it were, driving crazy people to The Palms, the local inpatient psychotherapy clinic. Still, I got an amazing education in the British tutorial system for $1200 a semester. There were extraordinary teachers, a ratio of 11 to one when I was there. And taxpayers deserve all credit for that, and got none.
And it only grew worse. I moved back to the area in 2007 and tried to start a local history project. The campus was full of anorectic, drug-addled boys dressed like girls, wearing the MAPS logo, and angry butch girls quoting Judith Butler.
Unfortunately, the people brought in by the governor did little to create a smooth transition back. Mark Rufo and Mark Bauerlein (disclosure - a dissertation director of mine) bigfooted around campus and didn't seek allies, ignored legal meeting rules, ignored the history of the institution of the institution, and did more harm than good with stupid ideas. Now it's just war. That will not help this unique college lose the crapola and return to real education.
Everyone needs to grow the heck up. The school belongs to the taxpayers. Dumb sports teams won't lure serious male scholars. SAT scores and a reformed curriculum and stringently non-DEI hiring will. Challenging students to listen to people like Steve Sailer will. Listening to taxpayers will. It was once a great place to get a Great Books program for pennies on the dollar. It can be again. Start over. There are plenty of STEM geniuses and realistic political graduates who understand the school's past and future.
Bauerlein and Rufo are as bad as what they're trying to replace. Rugby to increase academic excellence? Oh, come on.
Interesting comment. Can you explain, though, what is "the MAPS logo"? Search results of the term tend to show a Google Maps icon, which I don't think is what you mean.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multidisciplinary_Association_for_Psychedelic_Studies
Thanks.
I was worried it was something to do with Minor Attracted Persons, as pedos have been trying to rebrand themselves.
Well, if Leary were still alive and involved, it would be. Doblin is actually a very personally pleasant man. But on the campus some years back, I found it disturbing to see so many anorectic-looking, strung out young men in MAPS shirts. God only knows what they were giving them.
I learn the darnedest things here. I didn't know Leary had a history of involvement with minors.
By the way, just ignore Diane Roberts. She's a dolt.
"But, to the annoyance of a "Florida Phoenix" columnist, the public liberal arts college in Sarasota appears to have survived Hurricane Milton."
Whereas the people survived Hurricane Milton, she couldn't survive Hurrican Steve.
So of course she's annoyed! Mostly though, she sounds afraid.
The more aggressive the ad hominem, the more obvious the confession.
Good grief. Remind me who the "party of hate" is...