It's a question of pride. There are obviously proud Blacks, proud Israeli Jews, and proud non-Jewish Whites. They all exist. However, pride is particularly low in the current NJW population. Unless you are Russian or Hungarian. You need pride to punch if someone disses you.
It may be real physical, it may be giving back words, and it may even be going around unashamed even if insulted. Norman Podhoretz belonged to the 3rd category.
Israel/Palestine is EXACTLY THE SAME as Jim Crow Blacks/Whites, perhaps w an extra spicy dash of South African apartheid thrown in, and the Israelis/Whites are both the literal moral equivalent of the Nazis, committing constant "genocide" because of their inherent evil and certainly not to protect their homes or families or territory.
It makes sense this guy writes comic books, as I've never seen this level of infantile moral simplicity outside a comic book. He must feel the same way about nuance that Dracula does about garlic.
And why do those evil Jews and whiteys keep writing him such big checks? I blame the Rothschilds!
More importantly, how does he feel about Count Dracula? Is he evil or just hungry and the white patriarchy denies him the very blood he needs for sustenance?
The adulation for TNC will dry up rather quickly after this. The third rail that is the criticism of how Israel deals with Gaza (and everyone else in the Middle East) will be his fall from progressive liberal grace.
Don't know. The Unz crowd - Andrew Anglin, Mike Whitney and others - will fete him. They were just celebrating Candace Owens and seriously considering voting Kamala, lol. One trick ponies...
Good thing for him he finally found the key to success as a writer: Racial grievance. In a way, it is hard to blame him for tapping into a huge market of White folk willing to pay top dollar for a chance to self flagellate.
It's worth pointing out, as Steve did in one of these essays, how much people like Coates work hard to get away from other black people and their output is a sort of perverted deflection. When flush with book advance money he didn't snag a brownstone in Harlem but in hipster Brooklyn. I read an account years ago from someone who happened to be at some gathering of the connected at which TNC was an honored guest and it was remarked upon how it was like 90% white and smattering of everyone else but he seemed at home in that environment. I think at some level he recognizes this in himself and hates it, since so much of his childhood revolved around his fear of *real* blackness.
> Personally, I believe that what’s been going on in the Holy Land beginning October 7, 2023 is horrible, and I wish it would stop. But I don’t have any solutions.
Does anyone?
> Coates reacted as unreasonably as a guest star on Seinfeld would
I would have used Curb Your Enthusiasm as the best example of this, but they spring from the same mind anyway.
Coates vaguely reminds me of another affirmative-action pablum-spewing mediocre-minority lefty, Kamabla Harris.
Both have been boosted up well beyond their abilities due to race (and with Kamabla, due also to her sex and her sexual gifts to powerful men). Both spew hate-whitey, lefty intellectual claptrap and vagaries, but with less ability and pizzazz than, say, Obama. And both get exposed when given enough airtime, which is why their handlers quickly shunt them off to the sidelines when they get a little bit too talky.
Coates has been in the intellectual wilderness once Jeffrey Goldberg at The Atlantic had a debate with Coates and realized, omg, this guy is so dumb he'll admit he doesn't know who St. Augustine is and yet at the same time assume he can argue about his ideas! So Goldberg got him shunted out of The Atlantic to some meaningless name-above-the-title stunt jobs (e.g. his "screenwriting" stint, where his pitch of a black Superman movie/TV show was DOA) and a meaningless grant to keep him paid enough to not complain.
But Coates may be smart enough to know he's not smart enough for his role but perhaps he's cagey enough to know how to capitalize on it. Bringing up the Palestinians may be an attempt to get noticed by becoming a lightning rod and getting attention paid to him.
Remember that Kamabla's low-IQ and bad political abilities were assumed, but after Biden's debate crash who got all of his delegates and inherited his campaign team without a single challenge? Kamabla. She might be a horrid campaigner but in the backroom she seems to be very talented.
Coates may be just the same as Kamabla: utterly talentless at the role he's given, but talented enough to keep that role against all comers. Daddy gotta paid, yo.
A Black Superman, how did he come up with that? What I wouldn't give to be a fly on the wall inside his creative process. It would be like cracking open an amulet and releasing eldritch energies.
Staying on narrative is more important than remaining befogged, by a very long stretch.
I have an angry black friend who is straining desperately to earn a chair at the white-hate feast, but he cannot pretend that Democult shitlibs and Repuglicult shitcons aren't the same animal performing different tricks in the one circus, so he's bound for outer darkness. No wait, I mean he's beyond the pale. No, shoot, I'm trying to say his writing will never put him in the black. Aw, hell. No way out.
As an old, white, straight male Southerner, I find his characterizations generally correct. I definitely do prefer white company, with a few personally important exceptions. I don't take my family downtown any more unless the event has valet parking. I expect less of my black neighbors than of any other demographic; less manners, less understanding, silly, self-defeating attitudes-- I expect less and am seldom surprised. I don't pretend to myself that my expectations are not prejudicial and bigoted, and I am often sorry to see them prove out. I am not sorry about protecting my family by minimizing our exposure, and I am not apologetic about being white to the bones of me: I am lucky to be white, thankful to be white, and you're damn right: it's a privilege.
I like reading black intellectuals, because no one knows the ways and means of authoritarianism better. I enjoy reading my friend's critiques of white culture and white behaviors, because he often says things that help me triangulate on my blind spots. I see his point about enforcing poverty and ignorance on a population with nowhere to hide, then despising them for their ignorance and their culture of impoverishment. No matter how accurate his analysis, however, it does not amend my experience.
My heart and mind could easily change, very easily. My prejudice and bigotry just need to be proven wrong more often than not. While we are waiting, I will continue to be contemptuous of white people who simper and pose as unprejudiced and unbigoted; their desperation for black approval says otherwise.
I too find it difficult to recall much of my distant past and I am frequently astounded by those who can. Per recent neuroscience, the key might be that you have to resurface the memories frequently and ruminate over them. Problem is, you also tend to edit them as anyone who has had a reality check on one of their most vivid memories can attest.
He won’t be lauded for this piece, especially with the election so close, but he won’t be cast into the wilderness for it either.
The ‘street muscle’ parts of the Dem coalition are allowed, more or less, to say mean things about Israel so long as it doesn’t get off the street into the halls of power and that seems pretty unlikely for the time being. Even AOC, who does her share of grandstanding about the benighted Palestinians, lines up and signs on the line which is dotted when it’s appropriations time.
"if the words are enunciated eloquently enough, no one examines the meaning for definitive truth."
Especially if the words by said black person are enunciated in front of a majority-white audience, and hence all the financial accolades for TNC up to this point.
"doesn’t actually know much about history because, even though he frequently reads history books, he lacks a retentive mind. He reminds me of another autodidact who is always amazed by whatever he is currently reading: Glenn Beck."
Sounds very similar to:
“You know, with Hitler, the more I learn about that guy, the more I don’t care for him.” - Norm Macdonald
> "another autodidact who is always amazed by whatever he is currently reading: Glenn Beck."
At least Glenn Beck had the excuse that his mind and memories were partially dissolved by his former alcoholism/potheadedness. Coates's excuse? He's just dumb.
>Personally, I believe that what’s been going on in the Holy Land beginning October 7, 2023 is horrible, and I wish it would stop. But I don’t have any solutions.
The solution is that the Israelis stop committing mass murder. And that the U.S. stop sending them constant shipments of arms to commit it.
But thank you for writing this, Steve Sailer. I only wish Taki at Takimag would have been able to see through the lie about "Hamas raped women!" long ago. It took him a long time until he believed his own eyes and saw what the Zionists were doing. And stopped listening to the crazed alcoholic David Cole, who is always extremely snarky about pro-White voices, poking hole in anything said, but went full Zionist repeating Netanyahu's propaganda. Gee, I wonder why.
The "rape" story by the way was invented by an ultra-Orthodox group of volunteers among the occupying "settlements." There was no actual proof, only their word. Netanyahu later thanked them for "buying us time." The New York Times sent a Jewish reporter to Israel - no White would do - along with her nephew, who had only written a few cooking articles. Being her nephew he could be trusted. They interviewed a family who categorically denied that their daughter had been raped. They talked to her on her cellphone minutes before she died of smoke inhalation. The Zionist volunteer group took pictures of her being half-dressed, and that was their "proof," which the two Jews from the New York Times then went with. The family was upset by this blatant lie. The media also repeated the group's claims about people being beheaded, having their hands cut off, a family killed while sitting by their dinner table. All false.
But David Cole at Takimag repeated all of this, joining the mission. It's clear that Taki Theodoracopulous first believed it, and his weekly sarcastic article would level insults at Palestinians based on rape and how they got their wish to die like martyrs, the usual Zionist stuff. I think it took about half a year before he shook himself and came to his senses.
But David Cole's constant racial hatred in this issue seems to have silenced all dissent in Takimag. It's "one of those things we don't want to get into, we Have No Dog In This Fight," seems to have been the attitude. Much like people who were too afraid to criticize the neocon wars when Afghanistan and Iraq were invaded. Back then, Taki was one of the dissenters.
Takimag even allows the hack Steve Tucker to blatantly lie this month and say the Taliban like to have sex with boys. One of the reasons the Taliban were formed was to stop that practice among those who the U.S. supported. Two local warlords were fighting over a boy in a market and an imam stepped between them, and was shot. His students then rose up and threw out the warlords, and that was the beginning of the Taliban, meaning "Students." Later a U.S. soldier revealed how an Afghan officer held a boy chained to his bed in a U.S. base, and the boy could be heard screaming at night. When the soldier reported it he was told to keep quiet. The Taliban were the ones who stood up for the victims. Yet Takimag allows the neocon lovers to turn the truth around completely. Obviously to whip up hatred now against all pro-Palestinian voices and the Palestinians themselves. Despicable.
> "Some centrist Jewish intellectuals with complex but supportive ideas about Israel might finally notice Ta-Nehisi Coates isn't all that bright."
Weird how those "intellectuals" never noticed during Coates's long heyday of anti-whitism. But about a nanosecond after his Israel-skeptical turn, suddenly the obvious truth can be spoken.
Almost as if being "centrist Jewish intellectuals" isn't about being centrist or intellectual, just Jewish.
Black v Jew is punching sideways?!
In the status hierarchy of intellectuals.
Roxanne Gay, Bill Ackerman.
In the next part of the sentence, he says that black vs white is "punching down". So the assumption is that Whites are below both Jews and blacks
Clearly.
It's a question of pride. There are obviously proud Blacks, proud Israeli Jews, and proud non-Jewish Whites. They all exist. However, pride is particularly low in the current NJW population. Unless you are Russian or Hungarian. You need pride to punch if someone disses you.
On the Wokimon scale? Yes!
Depends on if the punching is literal or figurative
That got a laugh out of me.
It may be real physical, it may be giving back words, and it may even be going around unashamed even if insulted. Norman Podhoretz belonged to the 3rd category.
Let me take a guess:
Israel/Palestine is EXACTLY THE SAME as Jim Crow Blacks/Whites, perhaps w an extra spicy dash of South African apartheid thrown in, and the Israelis/Whites are both the literal moral equivalent of the Nazis, committing constant "genocide" because of their inherent evil and certainly not to protect their homes or families or territory.
It makes sense this guy writes comic books, as I've never seen this level of infantile moral simplicity outside a comic book. He must feel the same way about nuance that Dracula does about garlic.
And why do those evil Jews and whiteys keep writing him such big checks? I blame the Rothschilds!
More importantly, how does he feel about Count Dracula? Is he evil or just hungry and the white patriarchy denies him the very blood he needs for sustenance?
think this is more his taste:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8Sfrhj5IP4
Now I kinda want to watch that
cult classic!
sexy blaxploitation ladies
2-joint minimum
The adulation for TNC will dry up rather quickly after this. The third rail that is the criticism of how Israel deals with Gaza (and everyone else in the Middle East) will be his fall from progressive liberal grace.
Don't know. The Unz crowd - Andrew Anglin, Mike Whitney and others - will fete him. They were just celebrating Candace Owens and seriously considering voting Kamala, lol. One trick ponies...
Good thing for him he finally found the key to success as a writer: Racial grievance. In a way, it is hard to blame him for tapping into a huge market of White folk willing to pay top dollar for a chance to self flagellate.
To paraphrase Tom Lehrer:
It's a market they can't glut
I don't know what
compares to grievance smut
Don't let them take it awaayyyy.
It's worth pointing out, as Steve did in one of these essays, how much people like Coates work hard to get away from other black people and their output is a sort of perverted deflection. When flush with book advance money he didn't snag a brownstone in Harlem but in hipster Brooklyn. I read an account years ago from someone who happened to be at some gathering of the connected at which TNC was an honored guest and it was remarked upon how it was like 90% white and smattering of everyone else but he seemed at home in that environment. I think at some level he recognizes this in himself and hates it, since so much of his childhood revolved around his fear of *real* blackness.
Mr. Sailer is assuming the role of Tom Wolfe in interpreting these New York status games for our generation.
> Personally, I believe that what’s been going on in the Holy Land beginning October 7, 2023 is horrible, and I wish it would stop. But I don’t have any solutions.
Does anyone?
> Coates reacted as unreasonably as a guest star on Seinfeld would
I would have used Curb Your Enthusiasm as the best example of this, but they spring from the same mind anyway.
Coates vaguely reminds me of another affirmative-action pablum-spewing mediocre-minority lefty, Kamabla Harris.
Both have been boosted up well beyond their abilities due to race (and with Kamabla, due also to her sex and her sexual gifts to powerful men). Both spew hate-whitey, lefty intellectual claptrap and vagaries, but with less ability and pizzazz than, say, Obama. And both get exposed when given enough airtime, which is why their handlers quickly shunt them off to the sidelines when they get a little bit too talky.
Coates has been in the intellectual wilderness once Jeffrey Goldberg at The Atlantic had a debate with Coates and realized, omg, this guy is so dumb he'll admit he doesn't know who St. Augustine is and yet at the same time assume he can argue about his ideas! So Goldberg got him shunted out of The Atlantic to some meaningless name-above-the-title stunt jobs (e.g. his "screenwriting" stint, where his pitch of a black Superman movie/TV show was DOA) and a meaningless grant to keep him paid enough to not complain.
But Coates may be smart enough to know he's not smart enough for his role but perhaps he's cagey enough to know how to capitalize on it. Bringing up the Palestinians may be an attempt to get noticed by becoming a lightning rod and getting attention paid to him.
Remember that Kamabla's low-IQ and bad political abilities were assumed, but after Biden's debate crash who got all of his delegates and inherited his campaign team without a single challenge? Kamabla. She might be a horrid campaigner but in the backroom she seems to be very talented.
Coates may be just the same as Kamabla: utterly talentless at the role he's given, but talented enough to keep that role against all comers. Daddy gotta paid, yo.
A Black Superman, how did he come up with that? What I wouldn't give to be a fly on the wall inside his creative process. It would be like cracking open an amulet and releasing eldritch energies.
To be fair, there is actually an alternate-universe black Superman, but he was only part of some short-lived series.
Staying on narrative is more important than remaining befogged, by a very long stretch.
I have an angry black friend who is straining desperately to earn a chair at the white-hate feast, but he cannot pretend that Democult shitlibs and Repuglicult shitcons aren't the same animal performing different tricks in the one circus, so he's bound for outer darkness. No wait, I mean he's beyond the pale. No, shoot, I'm trying to say his writing will never put him in the black. Aw, hell. No way out.
As an old, white, straight male Southerner, I find his characterizations generally correct. I definitely do prefer white company, with a few personally important exceptions. I don't take my family downtown any more unless the event has valet parking. I expect less of my black neighbors than of any other demographic; less manners, less understanding, silly, self-defeating attitudes-- I expect less and am seldom surprised. I don't pretend to myself that my expectations are not prejudicial and bigoted, and I am often sorry to see them prove out. I am not sorry about protecting my family by minimizing our exposure, and I am not apologetic about being white to the bones of me: I am lucky to be white, thankful to be white, and you're damn right: it's a privilege.
I like reading black intellectuals, because no one knows the ways and means of authoritarianism better. I enjoy reading my friend's critiques of white culture and white behaviors, because he often says things that help me triangulate on my blind spots. I see his point about enforcing poverty and ignorance on a population with nowhere to hide, then despising them for their ignorance and their culture of impoverishment. No matter how accurate his analysis, however, it does not amend my experience.
My heart and mind could easily change, very easily. My prejudice and bigotry just need to be proven wrong more often than not. While we are waiting, I will continue to be contemptuous of white people who simper and pose as unprejudiced and unbigoted; their desperation for black approval says otherwise.
New York mag is like stunt casting in periodical form
So he's like Chauncey Gardener?
I too find it difficult to recall much of my distant past and I am frequently astounded by those who can. Per recent neuroscience, the key might be that you have to resurface the memories frequently and ruminate over them. Problem is, you also tend to edit them as anyone who has had a reality check on one of their most vivid memories can attest.
He won’t be lauded for this piece, especially with the election so close, but he won’t be cast into the wilderness for it either.
The ‘street muscle’ parts of the Dem coalition are allowed, more or less, to say mean things about Israel so long as it doesn’t get off the street into the halls of power and that seems pretty unlikely for the time being. Even AOC, who does her share of grandstanding about the benighted Palestinians, lines up and signs on the line which is dotted when it’s appropriations time.
I actually liked the glowing amulet line.
"if the words are enunciated eloquently enough, no one examines the meaning for definitive truth."
Especially if the words by said black person are enunciated in front of a majority-white audience, and hence all the financial accolades for TNC up to this point.
"doesn’t actually know much about history because, even though he frequently reads history books, he lacks a retentive mind. He reminds me of another autodidact who is always amazed by whatever he is currently reading: Glenn Beck."
Sounds very similar to:
“You know, with Hitler, the more I learn about that guy, the more I don’t care for him.” - Norm Macdonald
Except one was doing a comedy routine.
> "another autodidact who is always amazed by whatever he is currently reading: Glenn Beck."
At least Glenn Beck had the excuse that his mind and memories were partially dissolved by his former alcoholism/potheadedness. Coates's excuse? He's just dumb.
>Personally, I believe that what’s been going on in the Holy Land beginning October 7, 2023 is horrible, and I wish it would stop. But I don’t have any solutions.
The solution is that the Israelis stop committing mass murder. And that the U.S. stop sending them constant shipments of arms to commit it.
But thank you for writing this, Steve Sailer. I only wish Taki at Takimag would have been able to see through the lie about "Hamas raped women!" long ago. It took him a long time until he believed his own eyes and saw what the Zionists were doing. And stopped listening to the crazed alcoholic David Cole, who is always extremely snarky about pro-White voices, poking hole in anything said, but went full Zionist repeating Netanyahu's propaganda. Gee, I wonder why.
The "rape" story by the way was invented by an ultra-Orthodox group of volunteers among the occupying "settlements." There was no actual proof, only their word. Netanyahu later thanked them for "buying us time." The New York Times sent a Jewish reporter to Israel - no White would do - along with her nephew, who had only written a few cooking articles. Being her nephew he could be trusted. They interviewed a family who categorically denied that their daughter had been raped. They talked to her on her cellphone minutes before she died of smoke inhalation. The Zionist volunteer group took pictures of her being half-dressed, and that was their "proof," which the two Jews from the New York Times then went with. The family was upset by this blatant lie. The media also repeated the group's claims about people being beheaded, having their hands cut off, a family killed while sitting by their dinner table. All false.
But David Cole at Takimag repeated all of this, joining the mission. It's clear that Taki Theodoracopulous first believed it, and his weekly sarcastic article would level insults at Palestinians based on rape and how they got their wish to die like martyrs, the usual Zionist stuff. I think it took about half a year before he shook himself and came to his senses.
But David Cole's constant racial hatred in this issue seems to have silenced all dissent in Takimag. It's "one of those things we don't want to get into, we Have No Dog In This Fight," seems to have been the attitude. Much like people who were too afraid to criticize the neocon wars when Afghanistan and Iraq were invaded. Back then, Taki was one of the dissenters.
Takimag even allows the hack Steve Tucker to blatantly lie this month and say the Taliban like to have sex with boys. One of the reasons the Taliban were formed was to stop that practice among those who the U.S. supported. Two local warlords were fighting over a boy in a market and an imam stepped between them, and was shot. His students then rose up and threw out the warlords, and that was the beginning of the Taliban, meaning "Students." Later a U.S. soldier revealed how an Afghan officer held a boy chained to his bed in a U.S. base, and the boy could be heard screaming at night. When the soldier reported it he was told to keep quiet. The Taliban were the ones who stood up for the victims. Yet Takimag allows the neocon lovers to turn the truth around completely. Obviously to whip up hatred now against all pro-Palestinian voices and the Palestinians themselves. Despicable.
> The solution is that the Israelis stop committing mass murder.
Self-defense isn't mass murder.
You sound like the kind of person who would march for BLM to stop them from "killing random innocent Black children".
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2024/08/14/israel_leader_of_the_free_world_151445.html
> "Some centrist Jewish intellectuals with complex but supportive ideas about Israel might finally notice Ta-Nehisi Coates isn't all that bright."
Weird how those "intellectuals" never noticed during Coates's long heyday of anti-whitism. But about a nanosecond after his Israel-skeptical turn, suddenly the obvious truth can be spoken.
Almost as if being "centrist Jewish intellectuals" isn't about being centrist or intellectual, just Jewish.