Speaking of the populace reacting negatively to unfettered immigration, reports are the Canadian PM Justin Trudeau will be resigning sooner rather than later, perhaps as soon as this week. Justin has served since November 2015, or a little over 9 years, as opposed to his "father" Pierre, who served 15½ years combined during two separate tenures
In all of urban England you basically have unfettered mixing of the non-Muslim population. In a typical school classroom in the south of England you will have a plurality if not a majority of kids with at least one grandparent born abroad. For example 40% of young black men have a non-black spouse or partner.
The only exception is different groups of Muslims and ultra-orthodox Jews who have very high marital endogamy. These groups will remain Balkanised for a long time.
What 2024 riots? If you think that the Jan 6 "insurrection" was overplayed in US media for political purposes, I assure you that the media on 2024 race riots was far far worse. Starmer is a creature of MI6 and wants tougher monitoring of Brits.
There was a horrendous incident, a few reactions and it was all over. And like all "British riots" in happened in a very very rare hot spell in August before being rained off like a cricket Test match that almost got interesting.
Note the undertext here. Musk wants to whitewash Tommy Robinson - a known racist with little support in UK who only ever got one thing right - the Rotherham and other grooming scandals. It helps Starmer can be blamed. But this is about Musk spending money to get control of the Reform party and little else.
Robinson of course would love to push pro-Israeli propaganda denying the genocide and blaming Muslims. But in this country where we have seen weekly small peaceful protests in Town centres everywhere over Palestine for some 50 years it would destroy Reform. Every party supports Israel, none of them mentioned Israel or Palestine in this years election. UK are bigger hypocrits than US in that.
Not what I said - Reform's future (same as Labour or any other party except Green Party*) depends on pretending Palestine / Israel is not an issue and avoiding all discussion of it.
Robinson couldn't resist openly supporting Israel - in some ways i wish he would - but it would open a massive can of worms. So long as you don't mention Gaza you can get away even with pro-Israeli policies. But as soon as you remind the public of the topic you have to back away from Israel. The public is extremely underinformed, but not that stupid. Every term time Saturday in every University town for 50 years there has been a small pro-Palestinian group or students and old fold protesting very quietly. There isn't a Brit that doesn't know how bad Israel is, it is just never mentioned.
I gather the Green Party has just recently "bravely" emerged to become the first party to call Israel an Apartheid state. I wonder how long they took to debate that.
No, rejigging wokery to make jews the new whites does nothing but titillate the stupidest people alive. Israel can finish the job in defeating Hamas and the whole world will be relieved when they do. I personally can't wait until I hear nothing about the issue because Israel have put it to bed, although I'm sure you and yours will have something new to cry "righteously" over in public and will still be therefore a nuisance.
If you really care about the people of Gaza, I suggest you try and persuade them to surrender both the hostages and the remaining Hamas fighters to the Israelis rather than this futile and hysterical act you've got going on here.
Fxxx off you are backing out and out murderers here. Hysterical is shooting children and bombing hospitals. You really are sick. The Jews I was surrounded by outside Parliament yesterday would 100% agree with me. So would most jews in Europe or US.
I mean… actually genociding every Palestinian is the answer to Israel’s problems and most neighboring nations would thank them for it. Would be great for almost everyone except Palestinians but it’s 2025 so this solution - the one all of our ancestors used to secure a peaceful and safe homeland for us - is off the table.
Your pearl clutching about Israelis saying things in the media is rather amusing since Palestinians say much, much worse about Israelis even more openly. Someone doesn’t speak Arabic and it shows... It’s why neither bothers me much. They live in the world as it was outside the west until about 5 minutes ago and they’re honest about it. If the Palestinians had Israeli firepower, all 6 million in Israel would be dead - a far greater number than 50,000.
Most Americans don’t care about Palestinians and care very much about Israelis. I interact with non Jewish normies across the spectrum and openly stating you don’t care about Palestinian civilians doesn’t raise any eyebrow. I’m begging you - get out of your bubble. No one cares except people who hate you and want you dead.
The only meaningful demographics who care that much about Palestine are Muslims and irredeemable white libtards who will never vote reform. If you’re a white British nativist basing your vote on the “hypocrisy” of not caring enough about Muslims who want you dead and your civilization destroyed, you’re not a white British nativist. Do you also cry about your ancestors pursuing the crusades in the Holy Land because the poor Saracenes suffered? Embarrassing.
The UK is well on its way to becoming a country that suppresses free speech much like Russia, Iran and China. The question we in the US must ask ourselves is how long before we realize that we can no longer be allies with a country that doesn’t share our love of freedom.
Nonsense. The UK had purposefully driven itself into this fatal tailspin. Has nothing whatsoever to do with the USA. Listen to Elon, listen to Elon, listen to Elon.
Charges of racism and lack of "diversity" seem to me generally to have very little to do with how a society treats non-whites, and are almost always one group of whites trying to control another group of whites by shame.
Why begets how and how leads back to why. Listen to Steve's question: did the methods of the replacement (the given) necessarily have to cause the massive social strife evident today (and far into the future)? Enoch Powell answered with a resounding YES!
Or could the process of replacement have somehow been massaged in ways that would have resulted in similar demographics (the object) but preserving the best of British culture along with the positives associated with large numbers of younger, more vital imported subjects?
Let's ask Elon (or AI or some other sensible social engineer). Hey, Steve, what would YOU have done?
There’s no limit to how wretched the refuse can be, or how many of them we have to take. And yes, “The New Colossus” is the law throughout the West, not just in the USA, a law that was never legislated, and so can never be repealed
How'd that approach work with the American Negro? 300 years later and they're still and alien and alienated popultion despite billions thrown at their 'assimilation'. No. We don't need non-Whites in White lands. Don't marry them. Don't buy from them. Don't defend their behaviors.
Blacks know they have a good deal here in America no matter how much they whine about it. They'll never go back. Marcus Garvey's dream is a nightmare for most blacks.
In case you're not familiar with him, Hamburger Today is almost a parody of a "White nationalist". A lazy White loser who just wants to mooch of the more successful Whites.
As with all questions around immigration, the first and most important question is how does this benefit the existing population? I honestly cannot think of a single one when it comes to loading up Old Blighty with a group whose religion and customs are totally alien to their new home. I feel exactly the same way about Somalis in MN - you almost couldn't pick a worse fit.
"In 2020, the United States saw the fastest increase in murders ever recorded in the country’s history. Analyses indicate that the surge in homicides was directly connected to local unemployment and school closures in low-income areas. Cities with larger numbers of young men forced out of work and teen boys pushed out of school in low-income neighborhoods during March and early April 2020 had greater homicide increases from May to December that year, on average. The persistence of these changes can also explain why murders remained high in 2021 and 2022 before falling in late 2023 and 2024."
Labor arbitrage with a bushy beard and disgusting mores. I wonder if future generations will see diversity trainers like our version of kapos in the death camps?
For a long time, officialdom tended to assume that, like the Irish before them, the new immigrants would disperse from their original settlements and become culturally British without encouragement. There is no obvious way of distinguishing between different sorts of South Asians just by looking, and at first subgroups like the Mirpuris were largely invisible.
The Rushdie affair changed all that. But by then the founding of mosques, the expansion of nuclear families into clans and the continued use of Indian languages had entrenched them, and all-Asian schools in all-Asian suburbs meant they had nothing to assimilate to.
O/T
Speaking of the populace reacting negatively to unfettered immigration, reports are the Canadian PM Justin Trudeau will be resigning sooner rather than later, perhaps as soon as this week. Justin has served since November 2015, or a little over 9 years, as opposed to his "father" Pierre, who served 15½ years combined during two separate tenures
In all of urban England you basically have unfettered mixing of the non-Muslim population. In a typical school classroom in the south of England you will have a plurality if not a majority of kids with at least one grandparent born abroad. For example 40% of young black men have a non-black spouse or partner.
The only exception is different groups of Muslims and ultra-orthodox Jews who have very high marital endogamy. These groups will remain Balkanised for a long time.
Genetically yes. Socially no. In 60s and 70s at school I never met a Muslim. In 2010 as a teacher, I didn't have a class which wasn't 10% Muslim.
Forty percent is a doom loop. Lower IQ, white flight, lower tax revenues, more criminal and disordered behavior.
What 2024 riots? If you think that the Jan 6 "insurrection" was overplayed in US media for political purposes, I assure you that the media on 2024 race riots was far far worse. Starmer is a creature of MI6 and wants tougher monitoring of Brits.
There was a horrendous incident, a few reactions and it was all over. And like all "British riots" in happened in a very very rare hot spell in August before being rained off like a cricket Test match that almost got interesting.
Note the undertext here. Musk wants to whitewash Tommy Robinson - a known racist with little support in UK who only ever got one thing right - the Rotherham and other grooming scandals. It helps Starmer can be blamed. But this is about Musk spending money to get control of the Reform party and little else.
Robinson of course would love to push pro-Israeli propaganda denying the genocide and blaming Muslims. But in this country where we have seen weekly small peaceful protests in Town centres everywhere over Palestine for some 50 years it would destroy Reform. Every party supports Israel, none of them mentioned Israel or Palestine in this years election. UK are bigger hypocrits than US in that.
No, Reform's future doesn't depend on them supporting Palestine. That's retarded.
Not what I said - Reform's future (same as Labour or any other party except Green Party*) depends on pretending Palestine / Israel is not an issue and avoiding all discussion of it.
Robinson couldn't resist openly supporting Israel - in some ways i wish he would - but it would open a massive can of worms. So long as you don't mention Gaza you can get away even with pro-Israeli policies. But as soon as you remind the public of the topic you have to back away from Israel. The public is extremely underinformed, but not that stupid. Every term time Saturday in every University town for 50 years there has been a small pro-Palestinian group or students and old fold protesting very quietly. There isn't a Brit that doesn't know how bad Israel is, it is just never mentioned.
I gather the Green Party has just recently "bravely" emerged to become the first party to call Israel an Apartheid state. I wonder how long they took to debate that.
No, rejigging wokery to make jews the new whites does nothing but titillate the stupidest people alive. Israel can finish the job in defeating Hamas and the whole world will be relieved when they do. I personally can't wait until I hear nothing about the issue because Israel have put it to bed, although I'm sure you and yours will have something new to cry "righteously" over in public and will still be therefore a nuisance.
Well obviously Fxxx off if you think genocide is the answer to Israel's problem and you clearly don't even care for Israelis.
Or are you still pretending that Israeli is just hoping those trapped in a concentration camp will leave without being murdered?
Here is a clue - all of Israel knows precisely that murder is the policy, not accidental collateral. They talk about it openly in israeli media.
Nobody here in UK thinks like that - if you said those words out loud you'd be hit or blanked - I reckon the same would be true in US.
If you really care about the people of Gaza, I suggest you try and persuade them to surrender both the hostages and the remaining Hamas fighters to the Israelis rather than this futile and hysterical act you've got going on here.
So you think it started in October 2023.
Fxxx off you are backing out and out murderers here. Hysterical is shooting children and bombing hospitals. You really are sick. The Jews I was surrounded by outside Parliament yesterday would 100% agree with me. So would most jews in Europe or US.
I mean… actually genociding every Palestinian is the answer to Israel’s problems and most neighboring nations would thank them for it. Would be great for almost everyone except Palestinians but it’s 2025 so this solution - the one all of our ancestors used to secure a peaceful and safe homeland for us - is off the table.
Your pearl clutching about Israelis saying things in the media is rather amusing since Palestinians say much, much worse about Israelis even more openly. Someone doesn’t speak Arabic and it shows... It’s why neither bothers me much. They live in the world as it was outside the west until about 5 minutes ago and they’re honest about it. If the Palestinians had Israeli firepower, all 6 million in Israel would be dead - a far greater number than 50,000.
Most Americans don’t care about Palestinians and care very much about Israelis. I interact with non Jewish normies across the spectrum and openly stating you don’t care about Palestinian civilians doesn’t raise any eyebrow. I’m begging you - get out of your bubble. No one cares except people who hate you and want you dead.
The only meaningful demographics who care that much about Palestine are Muslims and irredeemable white libtards who will never vote reform. If you’re a white British nativist basing your vote on the “hypocrisy” of not caring enough about Muslims who want you dead and your civilization destroyed, you’re not a white British nativist. Do you also cry about your ancestors pursuing the crusades in the Holy Land because the poor Saracenes suffered? Embarrassing.
The first Pakistani migrants were undesirables as judged by other Pakistanis? I've never heard that. The most I could find on the topic (in 120 seconds of searching) is this thread that analogizes them to "country bumpkins" i.e. less sophisticated / refined than other Pakistanis: https://www.reddit.com/r/PakistaniiConfessions/comments/16l8a6v/why_dont_pakistanis_like_mirpuris/k11a8y5/?context=3#k11a8y5
What? The Pakistanis haven't been completely forthcoming about how they dumped their least favorite countrymen, the Mirpuris, upon England?
Not to me, I imagined a representative cross-section migrated to Britain. That seems naïve now that I think about it. But yeah didn't know.
Ah! You are using sarcasm.
I'm dense.
The UK is well on its way to becoming a country that suppresses free speech much like Russia, Iran and China. The question we in the US must ask ourselves is how long before we realize that we can no longer be allies with a country that doesn’t share our love of freedom.
If the UK falls we will not be far behind
Nonsense. The UK had purposefully driven itself into this fatal tailspin. Has nothing whatsoever to do with the USA. Listen to Elon, listen to Elon, listen to Elon.
???? I think you mean like US, Germany, France. It is mostly US influences that create this situation.
10x the number of people convicted of hate/speech type crimes in the U.K. vs Russia.
And based on the recent election results, not far short of 50% of your own population is as antagonistic to freedom as we Europeans have become.
Luckily for us, one thing that our early tussle with the folks of the now UK gave us was this 👇. Too bad we can’t return the favor.
Congress shall make no law respecting
an establishment of religion, or
prohibiting the free exercise thereof;
or abridging the freedom of speech,
or of the press; or the right of the
people peaceably to assemble, and to
petition the government for a redress
of grievances.
It’s not going anywhere.
Charges of racism and lack of "diversity" seem to me generally to have very little to do with how a society treats non-whites, and are almost always one group of whites trying to control another group of whites by shame.
Why begets how and how leads back to why. Listen to Steve's question: did the methods of the replacement (the given) necessarily have to cause the massive social strife evident today (and far into the future)? Enoch Powell answered with a resounding YES!
Or could the process of replacement have somehow been massaged in ways that would have resulted in similar demographics (the object) but preserving the best of British culture along with the positives associated with large numbers of younger, more vital imported subjects?
Let's ask Elon (or AI or some other sensible social engineer). Hey, Steve, what would YOU have done?
LIVE: King Charles Delivers His Annual Christmas Message From Former Hospital Chapel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avmhw0M6EZ0
Starting at 5:49 multicultural asshole King Charles speaks of "anger and lawlessness in several towns this summer".
Could it ever be good? It's ridiculous to import such genetically distant people. When has that ever worked?
"True __________ has never been tried."
There’s no limit to how wretched the refuse can be, or how many of them we have to take. And yes, “The New Colossus” is the law throughout the West, not just in the USA, a law that was never legislated, and so can never be repealed
How'd that approach work with the American Negro? 300 years later and they're still and alien and alienated popultion despite billions thrown at their 'assimilation'. No. We don't need non-Whites in White lands. Don't marry them. Don't buy from them. Don't defend their behaviors.
They must all go back.
Blacks know they have a good deal here in America no matter how much they whine about it. They'll never go back. Marcus Garvey's dream is a nightmare for most blacks.
Are you an American Negro?
No.
In case you're not familiar with him, Hamburger Today is almost a parody of a "White nationalist". A lazy White loser who just wants to mooch of the more successful Whites.
As with all questions around immigration, the first and most important question is how does this benefit the existing population? I honestly cannot think of a single one when it comes to loading up Old Blighty with a group whose religion and customs are totally alien to their new home. I feel exactly the same way about Somalis in MN - you almost couldn't pick a worse fit.
Steve,
The Brookings Institute is doing a panel on one of your favorite topics.
https://connect.brookings.edu/register-to-watch-homicides-decline
"In 2020, the United States saw the fastest increase in murders ever recorded in the country’s history. Analyses indicate that the surge in homicides was directly connected to local unemployment and school closures in low-income areas. Cities with larger numbers of young men forced out of work and teen boys pushed out of school in low-income neighborhoods during March and early April 2020 had greater homicide increases from May to December that year, on average. The persistence of these changes can also explain why murders remained high in 2021 and 2022 before falling in late 2023 and 2024."
Labor arbitrage with a bushy beard and disgusting mores. I wonder if future generations will see diversity trainers like our version of kapos in the death camps?
For a long time, officialdom tended to assume that, like the Irish before them, the new immigrants would disperse from their original settlements and become culturally British without encouragement. There is no obvious way of distinguishing between different sorts of South Asians just by looking, and at first subgroups like the Mirpuris were largely invisible.
The Rushdie affair changed all that. But by then the founding of mosques, the expansion of nuclear families into clans and the continued use of Indian languages had entrenched them, and all-Asian schools in all-Asian suburbs meant they had nothing to assimilate to.
It's too late....
The story of the 21st century will be the incessant flow of humanity from lower to higher latitudes, and the resulting destruction that follows.