Birmingham's bin men might be the only people who do real work in that city. The rest are migrants and the female social workers who hand out welfare to them while covering up the grooming gangs. Where are the Peaky Blinders when you need them?
This calculation is undoubtedly wrong but if the Council employs 10K and 5K are women, a £1.1B would suggest about £1/4 of a million pounds each. Now unless there has been massive turnover over the years-there probably has-there is still the other £760K which could pay another 5 thousand people £150K each. How much do you have to have been earning for those kind of sums to make up the difference
This is a city with twice the national rate of unemployment and a median household income of £37K, at most. Each household that pays rates (400K-with 70K paying nothing) will need to cover £6K each to cover the cost of this one-off.
Who the hell is getting all this money and how much-its ridiculous. I'm just pleased that the marvelous civil rights lawyers have found other people to help as well as migrants. We really can hope for a great future. Now I'm off to rewatch Adolescence to earn the necessary social credit
I saw two, for the first time ever, in the city of Girona in Spain last year. They were wearing what looked like bicycle helmets while hanging on to the back of the truck.
But the city's waste management system is designed so that the workers barely pick anything up. The bins themselves are attached to the ground and the device on the back of the truck hooks on so they are lifted automatically.
I have a fishing/church friend who drives one of those trash trucks for industrial trash, not door-to-door. Salvadoran, speaks perfect English, loves Alfred Hitchcock. Good man.
Suppose you were going to prison. And don't say anything as silly as "I would never go to prison, I'm a paragon of virtue!" because that's such a misunderstanding of the system that there's no hope for anyone who can say it with a straight face. So, suppose you were going to prison and granted the ability to o to a less "pound me in the ass prison" by converting to femalehood at the tiny cost of wearing some ridiculous fashion and calling yourself a woman, a chihuahua, or a fingledimble, you'd have to be rhe world's most masochistic human being to choose otherwise.
Remember when Milo said he was Jewish? Okay, Milo is a gross fellow, but he saw a way to get a free pass (from the likes of Ann Coulter and whomever) so he took it. Why not? If you can be saved from war by claiming bone spurs or identifying as a cat, it's pretty dumb not to do so.
Of course men are so toxic against each other that they'll happily stab themselves for the opportunity to stab another man. That's why every conservative media person ran with the story of that Canadian teacher who chose to fight the anti-male system by wearing ridiculous breastal prosthetics. Rather than hailing the guy for using The Machine's own rules against them, "Conservatives" went all out on choosing to pretend that his obvious tactic was a legitimate belief that he was a set of fake breasts with a body attatched or WORSE, "gaming the system AND INSINCERE!"
Because yes, toxic masculinity (a steroid Eve consistently feeds Adam) is real and the cause of most of the evils done unto other men.
What a shame that the first few chapters of THE BOOK lay everything out in easy metaphor and rather than thinking and understanding and taking the lessons to heart, we choose to show our appreciation for this gift from our ancient forbearers and/or "God" (whatever that means) by turn the matter of sense into something nonsensical called "piety", which we judge by determining who is willing to publicly state that they believe the absolute dumbest and most insulting interpretation of these stories.
Well taxes are what pay all the local government services and all that money has been swallowed up by the lawsuit and bankruptcy and they are still unable to meet their commitments.
"Bin men." Now that is a classy name, far moreso than the American equivalent of "garbage man."
In any event, I sympathize with the blokes in Birmingham for giving it to the effete leadership of their city, and letting them deal with the fallout of their intellectual and moral degeneracy. Hopefully, other British cities will take note and not let the same lunacy happen to them.
Let the women with chopped hair and granny glasses roll up the trash bins, empty them into the trucks and ride the bumper to the next stop with the stench blowing in their nostrils.
Washingtonian Magazine once had an article about the DC trash trucks and who operates them. The reason that the garbage men hustle so much is that they are given a route that is assumed to take 8 hours. If they finish early, they still get paid the full eight hours. In addition, empty the trash in the wealthiest neighborhood is considered a bonus since rich people produce less trash per capita and were better at following the rules.
I always think about the dangers because there are other vehicles on the road and even their own trash truck backs up enough to increase the risk of being hit.
Fine. Trash hauling should be women dominated. Get to work ladies! And men should be overly represented in secretarial and social work. Let’s see whose backs give out first.
I’m an actuary (we quantify risk related to all sorts of insurance and pensions) — elsewhere I’ve written about the deadliest occupations. Topping the list: logging and deep sea fishing
Again, it will shock nobody that these are male-dominated occupations.
Logging is big in my part of West Virginia. Two years ago, a 21-year old logger was killed in our county. He unfortunately was using a chainsaw on a branch above his head and it kicked back on him, striking him at an artery on his neck. He bled to death.
As a matter of law, I wonder if the judges had no choice but to rule the way they did? Is there any precedence in common law that allows a judge to nullify a really stupid law in contrast to a ruling that the law is unconstitutional since the UK doesn’t have a constitution?
Michael Kinsley always used to say (possibly not original to him) 'The Constitution is not a suicide pact'...as unofficial constitutional law goes that's leagues better than 'give me your tired, your poor...'
This would have been a worthwhile question a hundred years ago, or even fifty years ago.
It no longer matters. Law is irrelevant. Judges and lawyers are liars, pursuing power and political ends, not law nor justice. Not just in England, but throughout the West. And the East and the South, too, for that matter.
Yes. A law degree is a right to lie, cheat and steal. Lawyer Mitch McConnell didn't get to be worth $35 million playing paddy-cakes with lawyer Chuck Schumer.
Blair created a Supreme Court, but I don't know if it's as supreme as ours. They did overrule Boris's proroguing of Parliament over Brexit, so maybe they are.
Most of the current UK jurisrudence is no longer guided by common law. It's statutory law and government guidance (ie executive orders). That common law ship sailed long ago. The only moderation in UK jurisprudence is through jury verdicts, but then a lot of verdicts are simply single judge verdicts.
In effect, judges in the UK (as in France) are subject to ideological tests by the hiring processes created by Blair (whose wife became a very woke judge). There may be one or two non-woke private barristers, but there are no non-feminist judges under 70. And yes, rather than following common law precedent as in the past, their decisions now have to abide by the Magic Equalities created by the Equality Act of 2010 (passed jointly by Labour and Tory parties). One of its nine pillars is sexual orientation, including gender reassignment, one reason why trans rights became so quickly entrenched in UK law. This in effect is now the British constitution, although technically only an Act of Parliament. Sailer has remarked many times that the UK has something like pirate ship governance whereby a simple majority vote creates the law of the land.
David Starkey says Parliamentary Supremacy was a good thing that Blair spoiled. Now you're more like the US--no one can fix nonsense and no one is accountable.
Right, the Blairite realization that Parliamentary supremacy could be *used* to create US-style sclerotic rule by lawyers was a stroke of genius in some ways, but also toxic: e.g., in the US an Equality Act would go to the Supreme Court, which would scale it back.
Wow, this is fascinating. So common law is paramount until a general piece of legislation arrogates precedent, paradoxically giving more power to the courts? Did I get that right?
My next question then is why did it only happen in the 21st century?
My understanding is that judges gradually started getting involved in political issues more and building up a concept of administrative law as the powers of local government bodies expanded after 1945, but generally stayed away from questioning national legislation. The short answer would be that the Labour Party has traditionally looked for ways to make its changes irreversible. The post-1945 Attlee government through creating the Welfare State and beginning Commonwealth immigration, the 1960s one through trade union bargaining powers (defeated by Thatcher). New Labour which was highly dominated by Eurocommunist lawyers hit upon institutionalising the legal profession.
The late Master of the Rolls Lord Denning was popularly celebrated, though often unpopular with other members of the judiciary, for giving common-sense small-c conservative rulings that sometimes went against the letter of the law. He was also possibly the last person in public life with a southern English regional accent.
Whoever thought it was good policy to let government workers unionize?
Here in my burg, the "garbage men" are drivers who never leave the truck's cab. A robotic arm grabs the bin and empties it. In five years, the truck itself will probably be automated.
If you can't be bothered to roll a bin 30' to the curb you're problem isn't trash; it's poor human capital. There is no system on Earth we can design around that.
Here in my Masshole burg (and I suspect most of the U.S.) trash collection is privatized---city employees used to do it but no more (and they use the robot arms now too).
Birmingham's bin men might be the only people who do real work in that city. The rest are migrants and the female social workers who hand out welfare to them while covering up the grooming gangs. Where are the Peaky Blinders when you need them?
£8k pay cut is massive. Added on top of everything else people have going on. Sheesh.
This calculation is undoubtedly wrong but if the Council employs 10K and 5K are women, a £1.1B would suggest about £1/4 of a million pounds each. Now unless there has been massive turnover over the years-there probably has-there is still the other £760K which could pay another 5 thousand people £150K each. How much do you have to have been earning for those kind of sums to make up the difference
This is a city with twice the national rate of unemployment and a median household income of £37K, at most. Each household that pays rates (400K-with 70K paying nothing) will need to cover £6K each to cover the cost of this one-off.
Who the hell is getting all this money and how much-its ridiculous. I'm just pleased that the marvelous civil rights lawyers have found other people to help as well as migrants. We really can hope for a great future. Now I'm off to rewatch Adolescence to earn the necessary social credit
Unions and lawyers will eventually collapse civil society and government as we know it, which may be their goal, in order to replace it with Marxism.
I can’t believe 27% of the bin men are bin women?
Somebody has to provide the mental health care for binmen.
Physical therapy. Massage.
They probably do much of the clerical work. In my life, I have never seen a woman work a trash truck.
Same here.
I have. It's sad
We men are pretty gentle towards the "weaker sex" and hate to see them suffer.
That's fine.
But we are quite cruel towards our fellow males.
This is not fine.
I saw two, for the first time ever, in the city of Girona in Spain last year. They were wearing what looked like bicycle helmets while hanging on to the back of the truck.
But the city's waste management system is designed so that the workers barely pick anything up. The bins themselves are attached to the ground and the device on the back of the truck hooks on so they are lifted automatically.
HOw hard is it to drive a truck or man a check in point at a landfill?
Actually you’re right. I have seen a woman holding a clipboard at the local dump. But riding truck? Never
In my rural county, women take the money at the dump. But they are a quarter-mile from the garbage. The workers where you dump your trash are all men.
Driving a huge trash truck can’t be easy. It seems to me it’s a skill on par with captaining a ship, or piloting a jet airplane
I have a fishing/church friend who drives one of those trash trucks for industrial trash, not door-to-door. Salvadoran, speaks perfect English, loves Alfred Hitchcock. Good man.
Wait there’s the solution- give the bin men full pay as long as they agree to all identify as women!
Sir, you have solved the problem.
This is what's going on.
Suppose you were going to prison. And don't say anything as silly as "I would never go to prison, I'm a paragon of virtue!" because that's such a misunderstanding of the system that there's no hope for anyone who can say it with a straight face. So, suppose you were going to prison and granted the ability to o to a less "pound me in the ass prison" by converting to femalehood at the tiny cost of wearing some ridiculous fashion and calling yourself a woman, a chihuahua, or a fingledimble, you'd have to be rhe world's most masochistic human being to choose otherwise.
Remember when Milo said he was Jewish? Okay, Milo is a gross fellow, but he saw a way to get a free pass (from the likes of Ann Coulter and whomever) so he took it. Why not? If you can be saved from war by claiming bone spurs or identifying as a cat, it's pretty dumb not to do so.
Of course men are so toxic against each other that they'll happily stab themselves for the opportunity to stab another man. That's why every conservative media person ran with the story of that Canadian teacher who chose to fight the anti-male system by wearing ridiculous breastal prosthetics. Rather than hailing the guy for using The Machine's own rules against them, "Conservatives" went all out on choosing to pretend that his obvious tactic was a legitimate belief that he was a set of fake breasts with a body attatched or WORSE, "gaming the system AND INSINCERE!"
Because yes, toxic masculinity (a steroid Eve consistently feeds Adam) is real and the cause of most of the evils done unto other men.
What a shame that the first few chapters of THE BOOK lay everything out in easy metaphor and rather than thinking and understanding and taking the lessons to heart, we choose to show our appreciation for this gift from our ancient forbearers and/or "God" (whatever that means) by turn the matter of sense into something nonsensical called "piety", which we judge by determining who is willing to publicly state that they believe the absolute dumbest and most insulting interpretation of these stories.
Nailed it
I suspect the council lost the case on purpose to then carry out this mass robbery of the local taxpayers.
Is there a suggestion that taxes be raised? I didn’t read the linked article.
Well taxes are what pay all the local government services and all that money has been swallowed up by the lawsuit and bankruptcy and they are still unable to meet their commitments.
Why can’t they raise taxes?
They will probably have to.
"Bin men." Now that is a classy name, far moreso than the American equivalent of "garbage man."
In any event, I sympathize with the blokes in Birmingham for giving it to the effete leadership of their city, and letting them deal with the fallout of their intellectual and moral degeneracy. Hopefully, other British cities will take note and not let the same lunacy happen to them.
Let the women with chopped hair and granny glasses roll up the trash bins, empty them into the trucks and ride the bumper to the next stop with the stench blowing in their nostrils.
Washingtonian Magazine once had an article about the DC trash trucks and who operates them. The reason that the garbage men hustle so much is that they are given a route that is assumed to take 8 hours. If they finish early, they still get paid the full eight hours. In addition, empty the trash in the wealthiest neighborhood is considered a bonus since rich people produce less trash per capita and were better at following the rules.
Very good points. I have a great deal of respect for trashmen. It's a hard, disgusting, smelly job that has to be done. They should be paid well.
I always think about the dangers because there are other vehicles on the road and even their own trash truck backs up enough to increase the risk of being hit.
Same arrangement in Britain I think, whenever I see them they're moving like hell
We used to call them "dustcarts" as well instead of "bin lorries"
Fine. Trash hauling should be women dominated. Get to work ladies! And men should be overly represented in secretarial and social work. Let’s see whose backs give out first.
Over a decade ago, I looked at what the most female & most male occupations were in the U.S.
I'm updating that for now (it's not that much different). The results will not shock you.
While you wait, this is the piece from November 2014:
https://stump.marypat.org/article/149/number-crunching-how-many-people-are-in-sex-biased-occupations
Thanks for providing your list. Men not only are a dominating amount of physically demanding jobs, men's jobs are also the most dangerous.
I’m an actuary (we quantify risk related to all sorts of insurance and pensions) — elsewhere I’ve written about the deadliest occupations. Topping the list: logging and deep sea fishing
Again, it will shock nobody that these are male-dominated occupations.
Logging is big in my part of West Virginia. Two years ago, a 21-year old logger was killed in our county. He unfortunately was using a chainsaw on a branch above his head and it kicked back on him, striking him at an artery on his neck. He bled to death.
As a matter of law, I wonder if the judges had no choice but to rule the way they did? Is there any precedence in common law that allows a judge to nullify a really stupid law in contrast to a ruling that the law is unconstitutional since the UK doesn’t have a constitution?
Michael Kinsley always used to say (possibly not original to him) 'The Constitution is not a suicide pact'...as unofficial constitutional law goes that's leagues better than 'give me your tired, your poor...'
This would have been a worthwhile question a hundred years ago, or even fifty years ago.
It no longer matters. Law is irrelevant. Judges and lawyers are liars, pursuing power and political ends, not law nor justice. Not just in England, but throughout the West. And the East and the South, too, for that matter.
Yes. A law degree is a right to lie, cheat and steal. Lawyer Mitch McConnell didn't get to be worth $35 million playing paddy-cakes with lawyer Chuck Schumer.
Blair created a Supreme Court, but I don't know if it's as supreme as ours. They did overrule Boris's proroguing of Parliament over Brexit, so maybe they are.
Most of the current UK jurisrudence is no longer guided by common law. It's statutory law and government guidance (ie executive orders). That common law ship sailed long ago. The only moderation in UK jurisprudence is through jury verdicts, but then a lot of verdicts are simply single judge verdicts.
In effect, judges in the UK (as in France) are subject to ideological tests by the hiring processes created by Blair (whose wife became a very woke judge). There may be one or two non-woke private barristers, but there are no non-feminist judges under 70. And yes, rather than following common law precedent as in the past, their decisions now have to abide by the Magic Equalities created by the Equality Act of 2010 (passed jointly by Labour and Tory parties). One of its nine pillars is sexual orientation, including gender reassignment, one reason why trans rights became so quickly entrenched in UK law. This in effect is now the British constitution, although technically only an Act of Parliament. Sailer has remarked many times that the UK has something like pirate ship governance whereby a simple majority vote creates the law of the land.
David Starkey says Parliamentary Supremacy was a good thing that Blair spoiled. Now you're more like the US--no one can fix nonsense and no one is accountable.
Right, the Blairite realization that Parliamentary supremacy could be *used* to create US-style sclerotic rule by lawyers was a stroke of genius in some ways, but also toxic: e.g., in the US an Equality Act would go to the Supreme Court, which would scale it back.
Wow, this is fascinating. So common law is paramount until a general piece of legislation arrogates precedent, paradoxically giving more power to the courts? Did I get that right?
My next question then is why did it only happen in the 21st century?
My understanding is that judges gradually started getting involved in political issues more and building up a concept of administrative law as the powers of local government bodies expanded after 1945, but generally stayed away from questioning national legislation. The short answer would be that the Labour Party has traditionally looked for ways to make its changes irreversible. The post-1945 Attlee government through creating the Welfare State and beginning Commonwealth immigration, the 1960s one through trade union bargaining powers (defeated by Thatcher). New Labour which was highly dominated by Eurocommunist lawyers hit upon institutionalising the legal profession.
I seem to recall hearing about this story before. A few years ago. But still 21st century.
The late Master of the Rolls Lord Denning was popularly celebrated, though often unpopular with other members of the judiciary, for giving common-sense small-c conservative rulings that sometimes went against the letter of the law. He was also possibly the last person in public life with a southern English regional accent.
Equal pay on OnlyFans!
Not a Birmingham that the Chamberlians would recognize
https://www.perplexity.ai/search/73c6b4f6-cad9-4ec4-bbb3-30ccd51129fa
Or Enoch Powell
Makes me think about The Meaning of Life -- 'It's all for the good of the country'
https://youtu.be/Sp-pU8TFsg0?si=A_CZVgKtg34YDwOw&t=99
Everything is stupid now.
Please make it stop.
Huis clos. --J.-P. Sartre
Whoever thought it was good policy to let government workers unionize?
Here in my burg, the "garbage men" are drivers who never leave the truck's cab. A robotic arm grabs the bin and empties it. In five years, the truck itself will probably be automated.
Great Britain is sinking fast.
Someone still has to place the bin where the arm can get it, past the sidewalk, the curb and the parked cars.
If you can't be bothered to roll a bin 30' to the curb you're problem isn't trash; it's poor human capital. There is no system on Earth we can design around that.
SkyNet begs to differ.
In olden times, two men would come up to the house and fetch your cans. At Grandma's, they came twice a week to cut down on flies.
That person is called the "husband".
Here in my Masshole burg (and I suspect most of the U.S.) trash collection is privatized---city employees used to do it but no more (and they use the robot arms now too).
We're considerably whiter and more native British than America.
Into the Dust Bin of History goes Britain, apparently.