The NYT credulously profiles war heroes who, after a decade of slaughtering Taliban and ISIS, have decided that they were always really ladies on the inside.
While I have no objective measures besides box office Pretty Woman is a better movie than Fight Club. I wouldn't necessarily call Pretty Woman a girl's movie; to me Notting Hill (another Julia Roberts vehicle) would fit the bill for a counterexample to Fight Club
"I wouldn't necessarily call Pretty Woman a girl's movie; to me Notting Hill (another Julia Roberts vehicle) would fit the bill for a counterexample to Fight Club."
"Pretty Woman" = "Cinderella"; totally a girl's movie
"Notting Hill" = "Cinderfella"; totally a girl's movie with a twist; swap poor woman with poor man
Not clear to me what your counterpoint is, but I think Steve is trying to highlight/juxtapose a typical "masculine" movie (Fight Club) vs a typical "feminine" movie (Pretty Woman) and how/why it would appeal to the basic M-t-F trans from the article.
Once again, someone has to be too cool for school. Pretty woman is an update on La Traviata which is actually referenced in the movie. However, the original screenplay had a downer ending that did not work.
There is an extremely strong correlation between late life transgenderism and steroid use. It is no shock that men who artificially flooded their bodies with testosterone (thus causing endogenous T production to plummet) suddenly feel "womanly" when they stop taking the drug.
I also think the late-life transgenders get extremely off on forcing/bullying others into pretending they are women. To be able to force others to say that something is true that they actually believe is false must be an extreme high for those who get off on power.
"To be able to force others to say that something is true that they actually believe is false must be an extreme high for those who get off on power."
Indeed that's the point for the ex men. The acquiescence of the powers that be to this power play is perhaps even more sinister. As the great Anthony Daniels (Dalrymple) has noted "In my studies of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, not to inform but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to reality the better. When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent to obvious lies is ...in some small way to become evil oneself. One's standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control. I think if you examine political correctness, it has the same effect and is intended to."
I don't know that this is a specifically communist thing. Part of forming an in-group is believing at least one thing that is obviously bonkers to outsiders. Like, so nuts that they can't even figure out where to begin arguing with you about it.
We have enough violent lesbians. Giving testosterone to thousands more women with estrogen-soaked brains, who aren't used to its power, can't be a good idea.
"why grown men might suddenly insist they are women, readers have been indoctrinated into believing that when various 30-year-old war heroes announce they are women, that’s because they were incorrectly assigned the wrong gender at birth."
Exactly WHO incorrectly assigned these men the wrong gender at birth? That question is never answered, much less discussed. The hospital? The government? Something or someone from above?
WHO gave them the wrong assignment? And why after thousands/millions of yrs of human development is now all of a sudden the past decade where it's "Yup, there was a screw up in aisle five, someone/something gave out the wrong gender card, and it's now up to modern medicine to fix it."
But they never answer the WHO question. WHO made the mistake on the individual's gender assignment at birth?
This guy was the oldest in the country to change sexes at the time. He was presented as an army Special Ops veteran.
In the accompanying photos, he was wearing such oddities as a WW2 British commando patch and a Special Forces green beret with no flash under the pin.
I wrote to the Inquirer pointing out that the guy was obviously full of crap, and received a response that the reporter found him to be credible. I checked with the Special Forces Association who confirmed that this guy never qualified as a Green Beret. I forwarded that to the Inquirer and received no response.
Here we are 15 years later and genuine tough guys are turning tranny.
I don’t doubt it. I was trying to remember how long it’s been since Steve first suggested that trans rights were likely to be the next big thing. I know I didn’t think he was correct, but here we are.
"Got that? It’s easy if you (don’t) try. It’s only when you stop and think that it starts to make no sense."
Alice laughed: "There's no use trying," she said; "one can't believe impossible things."
"I daresay you haven't had much practice," said the Queen. "When I was younger, I always did it for half an hour a day. Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast.'
Maybe you just have to keep practicing, Steve. The NYT sure does make it look easy.
Just from a practical standpoint, having people whose medical needs are substantially different from the typical soldier seems like a problem best avoided on ships far from land or in combat zones. Obviously this is also an argument against broad female participation as well.
Many years ago I was in Navy boot camp, where I learned that the Navy was in the business of fitting round pegs into round holes. If I were too tall, too short, too fat, or too thin, if I had flat feet or an excessive need for dental treatment, or was in any other way likely more trouble than I was worth, I would be sent home with the Navy's thanks, encouraged to find another way to serve my country. Oh to live in such a wise country today.
When David Robinson was accepted in Annapolis he was 6'6" but by the time he actually enrolled he was 6'7", which was over the limit of 2 meters. He was granted a waiver as it was thought his growing was done, but he ended up 7'1". Not coincidentally, the last time the Midshipmen won an NCAA tournament game was during Robinson's junior year when they made it all the way to the Elite Eight, including an upset of next-year's runner-up Syracuse on the Orangemen's home court
The Navy then made David Robinson serve two years as an officer, although if any non-famous Navy cadet had grown from 6'6" to 7'1" while he was at Annapolis he would have been honorably discharged upon graduation because ships aren't made for guys who have grown that tall. But they didn't want to look like they were cutting a celebrity a break, so Robinson had to serve.
It was even worse 20 years prior as they made Roger Staubach serve his full four-year commitment before he could join the Dallas Cowboys. Then Tom Landry made him sit two years behind Craig Morton! By amazing coincidence Morton and Staubach have the same exact birthday of February 5 with Staubach being one year older but Morton had spent the last 4 seasons backing up Don Meredith so Landry went with him over Staubach.
Staubach used most of his leave every year to attend pre-season camp at the Cowboys. This way he didn’t accumulate four years of rust and was familiar with the Cowboy offense. He way able to hit the ground running (scrambling) when his obligation ran out.
That's about right. Morton was a grade above Norm Snead or Gary Cuozzo but not quite on par with Jim Hart. Staubach might have been the greatest quarterback of the 70s, better than Bradshaw. I was a Redskin fan and still remember that SOB completing a 60 yard bomb on the last play of the game against the Redskins on Thanksgiving.
It’s easy to say that Landry should have just gone with Staubach, but Craig Morton or Roger Staubach is definitely in the category of “good problem to have.”
That was a very good Navy team. Point guard named Wojcick? Vernon Butler was the Big Forward and played high school ball in PG County at High Point. My brother used to cover him.
Yes, Doug Wojcik was the point guard on that team and he is currently the heir apparent to Tom Izzo at Michigan State. Vernon Butler, formerly of the High Point Eagles, averaged 16.4 ppg that senior year.
To whom you are attracted sexually is purely subjective and therefore cannot reasonably be contested by an outside observer.
Where you decide to live your life on a spectrum of superficial, stereotypical male to female attributes (and we all do) is also purely subjective and similarly cannot be questioned.
However, your biological sex reflects an objective reality which cannot be changed by your subjective personal view and futile attempts to do so can result in serious health impacts to you as well as harms to members of the sex you are impersonating (primarily women).
Others who are grounded in objective reality should never be forced to accept your subjective version of your actual biological sex.
Finally, it's past time for the LGB community to separate themselves from the trans activists who are trying to take away the rights of women to fairness in sports and to privacy and safety in their restrooms, locker rooms and prisons. They also advocate for the chemical and surgical mutilation of children many of whom would grow up gay.
Their actions are evil and the
understandable negative reaction to the harm they are causing is spilling over to innocent people who are just going about their business, marrying and leading their lives.
What about drag queens that don't want to change sex but want to flaunt their transgressive gender bending and sexuality? It is good for people to agree upon core facts of biology. But society is about social norms (not just strict truths). And those social norms benefit the group often at the detriment to certain individuals. This could mean it is better to marginalize LGB as well as queer behavior.
Calling all debt-crushed law school grads: This one's going to be bigger than Big Tobacco was in 1998. Just pass the damn exam this time and hang out a shingle with the words "Specializing in Class Action" on it right NOWNOWNOWNOWNOWNOWNOW.
I have been saying the lawsuits are coming since 2013 when I found out how about the extent of rot in pediatric medicine. The real sorrow here is that some children's hospitals that do good work will have their worlds rocked by this. I sincerely hope some compromise can come where the individual people who made this possible face the largest sanctions and punishments and the institutions get punishments that are severe enough to get them focused on their duties of care but not such a large blast radius to affect pediatric oncology, sickle cell care, etc along with all the other normal pediatric care that these institutions SHOULD BE DOING!
There's no arguing with a single word of that. Sadly, if this goes down like, say, Enron or -- but you probably have a clearer view of our litigation-mad legal culture than I do. Just keep getting the word out, I guess -- at least it really is much more possible for an individual to do that than it was in the Actually Worse Old Days...
Nope. Never. Rachel Haywire their newest friend and others that showed up at their coronation shit stain ball at the inauguration with Buttfaggot Peter Thiel shows that they’re Jewish.
The modern left has no standards and believes that everything goes. If you don't want to serve with a transgender, something is wrong with you. You don't like serving on a naval ship commanded by a Joy Reid look-alike lesbian, something is wrong with you. The modern left is anti-white and anti-male and anti-heterosexual.
You may be wrong. You may be right. It's impossible to know the internal feelings of an another man. You know what might convince me? Fuck Metallica. Get one of these Ex-men to select Rush.
I don’t wonder that a very few men enter not fully aware of their feelings of being more feminine than male but I do believe the majority of the small percentage of those afflicted with these identity issues have SOME idea but are most likely not wanting to face them knowing how complicated their path forward will be. I’ve listened to both sides from several different perspectives and attitudes. I usually go with what’s best for the majority w/out aggressive measures -that’s just me but it seems to be a good enough way to be fair to the majority-EVEN IF some small minority feel the pain.
Well, that’s something. Histrionics aren’t just for ladies either it seems. Try making a cogent point next time.
You should tell that to the editors at the NYT.
They've been avoiding cogent points for decades.
It's called herstrionics.
Forgot to add "sexist" at the end.
"Hopefully, the Trump Administration won’t get distracted by other topics, but will keep up the pressure on this winning issue."
So totally with you on this one, Steve.
And philosophically we have the whip-hand, because this has been done to death over the last 2,500 years.
While I have no objective measures besides box office Pretty Woman is a better movie than Fight Club. I wouldn't necessarily call Pretty Woman a girl's movie; to me Notting Hill (another Julia Roberts vehicle) would fit the bill for a counterexample to Fight Club
Cringe.
Favorite James Cameron movie: ‘Aliens’ vs. ‘Titanic’
(Was ‘The Curious Case of Benjamin Button’ David Fincher’s attempt to make a movie that appealed to girls as much as Cameron’s ‘Titanic’ did?)
Now now. We all know your favorite movie is Cuties. Or Flowers In The Attic.
"I wouldn't necessarily call Pretty Woman a girl's movie; to me Notting Hill (another Julia Roberts vehicle) would fit the bill for a counterexample to Fight Club."
"Pretty Woman" = "Cinderella"; totally a girl's movie
"Notting Hill" = "Cinderfella"; totally a girl's movie with a twist; swap poor woman with poor man
Not clear to me what your counterpoint is, but I think Steve is trying to highlight/juxtapose a typical "masculine" movie (Fight Club) vs a typical "feminine" movie (Pretty Woman) and how/why it would appeal to the basic M-t-F trans from the article.
I never saw "Pretty Woman." Wasn't it about a whore gets a wealthy gerbil-worshipper and lives the good life ever after?
Once again, someone has to be too cool for school. Pretty woman is an update on La Traviata which is actually referenced in the movie. However, the original screenplay had a downer ending that did not work.
lol. Dude you're just too cool for school, baby.
Yes. But somehow --- and I credit both Gary Marshall (the director) and Julia Roberts --- it comes across as a sweet wholesome movie.
> Not clear to me what your counterpoint is
That's because it was written for those with a triple-digit IQ
Well, bless your heart! Aren't you special!
ScarletNumber is an incestual pedophile. Best to ignore his sick twisted ramblings.
Lol, I'll just pat him on the head and move along... :-)
Well that excludes you, incestual pedophile!
There is an extremely strong correlation between late life transgenderism and steroid use. It is no shock that men who artificially flooded their bodies with testosterone (thus causing endogenous T production to plummet) suddenly feel "womanly" when they stop taking the drug.
Bruce Jenner is the archetypal example.
I also think the late-life transgenders get extremely off on forcing/bullying others into pretending they are women. To be able to force others to say that something is true that they actually believe is false must be an extreme high for those who get off on power.
They are often pretty aggressive.
These late-life ones are Alpha/Sigma male types. Thus, this is a continuation of their aggressive personality type through a warped means.
"To be able to force others to say that something is true that they actually believe is false must be an extreme high for those who get off on power."
Indeed that's the point for the ex men. The acquiescence of the powers that be to this power play is perhaps even more sinister. As the great Anthony Daniels (Dalrymple) has noted "In my studies of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, not to inform but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to reality the better. When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent to obvious lies is ...in some small way to become evil oneself. One's standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control. I think if you examine political correctness, it has the same effect and is intended to."
Nicely put. I would add that they want to make everyone cowards.
I don't know that this is a specifically communist thing. Part of forming an in-group is believing at least one thing that is obviously bonkers to outsiders. Like, so nuts that they can't even figure out where to begin arguing with you about it.
"How mahy fingers am I holding up, Winston?"
Seriously? I never heard that. It might make sense. Do you have a source?
If you're referring to the Daniels quote, the link that I found is broken
"Our Culture, What’s Left Of It". Interview with Jamie Glazov, archive.frontpagemag.com. August 31, 2005
I meant the association between anabolic steroids and trans
We have enough violent lesbians. Giving testosterone to thousands more women with estrogen-soaked brains, who aren't used to its power, can't be a good idea.
I'm not sure we can ever have enough violent lesbians. War's a -brewin'!
"why grown men might suddenly insist they are women, readers have been indoctrinated into believing that when various 30-year-old war heroes announce they are women, that’s because they were incorrectly assigned the wrong gender at birth."
Exactly WHO incorrectly assigned these men the wrong gender at birth? That question is never answered, much less discussed. The hospital? The government? Something or someone from above?
WHO gave them the wrong assignment? And why after thousands/millions of yrs of human development is now all of a sudden the past decade where it's "Yup, there was a screw up in aisle five, someone/something gave out the wrong gender card, and it's now up to modern medicine to fix it."
But they never answer the WHO question. WHO made the mistake on the individual's gender assignment at birth?
the standard enlightened response to this would be that the doctor, the parents, school, and society et al reinforced a gender based on genitalia
Which of course as we all know is terribly presumptuous and therefore wrong
It’s just more trans nonsense. Just ignore the whole “assigned at birth” thing.
Well, maybe for a tiny number of males born with something like 5-ARD (eg Caster Semenya) the baby may mistakenly be considered a girl.
LOL all my kids’ genders were assigned at the 20-week scan.
The Philadelphia Inquirer was on the story years before the NYT. They ran a story on this nutcase back in 2009.
https://www.inquirer.com/philly/news/nation_world/20091113_Clearing_the_record.html
This guy was the oldest in the country to change sexes at the time. He was presented as an army Special Ops veteran.
In the accompanying photos, he was wearing such oddities as a WW2 British commando patch and a Special Forces green beret with no flash under the pin.
I wrote to the Inquirer pointing out that the guy was obviously full of crap, and received a response that the reporter found him to be credible. I checked with the Special Forces Association who confirmed that this guy never qualified as a Green Beret. I forwarded that to the Inquirer and received no response.
Here we are 15 years later and genuine tough guys are turning tranny.
All that hard work for nothing.
This is by no means the first NYT article on trans. Probably not even the first one on trans in the military.
I don’t doubt it. I was trying to remember how long it’s been since Steve first suggested that trans rights were likely to be the next big thing. I know I didn’t think he was correct, but here we are.
"Got that? It’s easy if you (don’t) try. It’s only when you stop and think that it starts to make no sense."
Alice laughed: "There's no use trying," she said; "one can't believe impossible things."
"I daresay you haven't had much practice," said the Queen. "When I was younger, I always did it for half an hour a day. Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast.'
Maybe you just have to keep practicing, Steve. The NYT sure does make it look easy.
Just from a practical standpoint, having people whose medical needs are substantially different from the typical soldier seems like a problem best avoided on ships far from land or in combat zones. Obviously this is also an argument against broad female participation as well.
Many years ago I was in Navy boot camp, where I learned that the Navy was in the business of fitting round pegs into round holes. If I were too tall, too short, too fat, or too thin, if I had flat feet or an excessive need for dental treatment, or was in any other way likely more trouble than I was worth, I would be sent home with the Navy's thanks, encouraged to find another way to serve my country. Oh to live in such a wise country today.
Ken
When David Robinson was accepted in Annapolis he was 6'6" but by the time he actually enrolled he was 6'7", which was over the limit of 2 meters. He was granted a waiver as it was thought his growing was done, but he ended up 7'1". Not coincidentally, the last time the Midshipmen won an NCAA tournament game was during Robinson's junior year when they made it all the way to the Elite Eight, including an upset of next-year's runner-up Syracuse on the Orangemen's home court
The Navy then made David Robinson serve two years as an officer, although if any non-famous Navy cadet had grown from 6'6" to 7'1" while he was at Annapolis he would have been honorably discharged upon graduation because ships aren't made for guys who have grown that tall. But they didn't want to look like they were cutting a celebrity a break, so Robinson had to serve.
It was even worse 20 years prior as they made Roger Staubach serve his full four-year commitment before he could join the Dallas Cowboys. Then Tom Landry made him sit two years behind Craig Morton! By amazing coincidence Morton and Staubach have the same exact birthday of February 5 with Staubach being one year older but Morton had spent the last 4 seasons backing up Don Meredith so Landry went with him over Staubach.
Craig Morton was a good quarterback, but Roger Staubach was a great quarterback.
Staubach used most of his leave every year to attend pre-season camp at the Cowboys. This way he didn’t accumulate four years of rust and was familiar with the Cowboy offense. He way able to hit the ground running (scrambling) when his obligation ran out.
That's about right. Morton was a grade above Norm Snead or Gary Cuozzo but not quite on par with Jim Hart. Staubach might have been the greatest quarterback of the 70s, better than Bradshaw. I was a Redskin fan and still remember that SOB completing a 60 yard bomb on the last play of the game against the Redskins on Thanksgiving.
It’s easy to say that Landry should have just gone with Staubach, but Craig Morton or Roger Staubach is definitely in the category of “good problem to have.”
After two years active duty, we was in the individual ready reserve to pay off the rest of his commitment.
That was a very good Navy team. Point guard named Wojcick? Vernon Butler was the Big Forward and played high school ball in PG County at High Point. My brother used to cover him.
Yes, Doug Wojcik was the point guard on that team and he is currently the heir apparent to Tom Izzo at Michigan State. Vernon Butler, formerly of the High Point Eagles, averaged 16.4 ppg that senior year.
To whom you are attracted sexually is purely subjective and therefore cannot reasonably be contested by an outside observer.
Where you decide to live your life on a spectrum of superficial, stereotypical male to female attributes (and we all do) is also purely subjective and similarly cannot be questioned.
However, your biological sex reflects an objective reality which cannot be changed by your subjective personal view and futile attempts to do so can result in serious health impacts to you as well as harms to members of the sex you are impersonating (primarily women).
Others who are grounded in objective reality should never be forced to accept your subjective version of your actual biological sex.
Finally, it's past time for the LGB community to separate themselves from the trans activists who are trying to take away the rights of women to fairness in sports and to privacy and safety in their restrooms, locker rooms and prisons. They also advocate for the chemical and surgical mutilation of children many of whom would grow up gay.
Their actions are evil and the
understandable negative reaction to the harm they are causing is spilling over to innocent people who are just going about their business, marrying and leading their lives.
What about drag queens that don't want to change sex but want to flaunt their transgressive gender bending and sexuality? It is good for people to agree upon core facts of biology. But society is about social norms (not just strict truths). And those social norms benefit the group often at the detriment to certain individuals. This could mean it is better to marginalize LGB as well as queer behavior.
Torin: I have no problem with drag queens providing entertainment to adults.
Drag Queen Story Hour isn't directed at adults.
Calling all debt-crushed law school grads: This one's going to be bigger than Big Tobacco was in 1998. Just pass the damn exam this time and hang out a shingle with the words "Specializing in Class Action" on it right NOWNOWNOWNOWNOWNOWNOW.
I have been saying the lawsuits are coming since 2013 when I found out how about the extent of rot in pediatric medicine. The real sorrow here is that some children's hospitals that do good work will have their worlds rocked by this. I sincerely hope some compromise can come where the individual people who made this possible face the largest sanctions and punishments and the institutions get punishments that are severe enough to get them focused on their duties of care but not such a large blast radius to affect pediatric oncology, sickle cell care, etc along with all the other normal pediatric care that these institutions SHOULD BE DOING!
There's no arguing with a single word of that. Sadly, if this goes down like, say, Enron or -- but you probably have a clearer view of our litigation-mad legal culture than I do. Just keep getting the word out, I guess -- at least it really is much more possible for an individual to do that than it was in the Actually Worse Old Days...
Lol, you and Passage Press are still Jewish.
What? C'mon, surely this article entitles Passage Press to identify as Scandinavian, you know, like Viking Press.
Nope. Never. Rachel Haywire their newest friend and others that showed up at their coronation shit stain ball at the inauguration with Buttfaggot Peter Thiel shows that they’re Jewish.
Well, I'm sure they are properly ashamed of themselves.
For eons, unhappy humans had very little time to think about being happy or to pursue “solutions” for their unhappiness.
They were too busy digging up edible roots or trying to stab a wooly mammoth with a stick.
We have way too much time on our hands.
The modern left has no standards and believes that everything goes. If you don't want to serve with a transgender, something is wrong with you. You don't like serving on a naval ship commanded by a Joy Reid look-alike lesbian, something is wrong with you. The modern left is anti-white and anti-male and anti-heterosexual.
Racism and sexism is never a good look.
Correction: it's always a good look.
Being disgusted by things which are disgusting is always fine.
That includes being disgusted by our local Nazi, R.G. Camara.
You may be wrong. You may be right. It's impossible to know the internal feelings of an another man. You know what might convince me? Fuck Metallica. Get one of these Ex-men to select Rush.
Okay fella, the jig is up.
I don’t wonder that a very few men enter not fully aware of their feelings of being more feminine than male but I do believe the majority of the small percentage of those afflicted with these identity issues have SOME idea but are most likely not wanting to face them knowing how complicated their path forward will be. I’ve listened to both sides from several different perspectives and attitudes. I usually go with what’s best for the majority w/out aggressive measures -that’s just me but it seems to be a good enough way to be fair to the majority-EVEN IF some small minority feel the pain.