White females are the most likely to attend and then complete college after Asian-Americans. How does that demonstrate anti-white discrimination. And the biggest gender achievement gap is between white and black males.
If one looks at SFFA V UNC-Chapel Hill, white males benefit from the athletes advantage in admission. And virtually all h…
White females are the most likely to attend and then complete college after Asian-Americans. How does that demonstrate anti-white discrimination. And the biggest gender achievement gap is between white and black males.
If one looks at SFFA V UNC-Chapel Hill, white males benefit from the athletes advantage in admission. And virtually all highly selective private school use affirmative action to balance the male/female ratios unlike public universities that cannot use affirmative action for males and are thus 55% plus female.
If you are for ending all DEI anti white male policies then I am fine with ending athletic scholarships. If you're telling me there are not anti-white male discrimination practices, then you are a liar
No, the SFFA lawsuits showed that whites and Asians are held to different in unequal standards for admission. However, conservatives need to be a much better job at discussing the issue rather than just repeating memes.
If admission is based strictly on merit, the percentage of male students at high end universities goes down. And if one paid attention to the Varsity Blues Scandal, the students and their families using the side door where taking advantage of the admission advantage that athletes get but were not scholarship athletes. One needs to learn how athletics works at most universities.
And if one was really concerned about male employment prospects, then universities should have much bigger programs to get men to go into careers in healthcare, teaching, and mental health.
You are obviously a smart dude. Are you a education believer or are you woke on genetic IQ? I only want college for the top 5% rather than the top 50%? who then assume that they are the top 5% and become horribly resentful
I will own that conservative's share dumb memes because they're mostly dumb. But you downplaying the actual anti-white male discrimination is extremely intellectually dishonest and unvirtuous
White males go to college at a higher rate than black or Hispanic males. White males have an advantage at virtually all selective private universities. Remember, 70% of the students who finish in the top ten percentage of their high school class are female. The only place where males have any advantage is the math portion of the SAT and that gap is closing.
What conservatives need to reconcile is how to they blame the white/black achievement gap on genetic/culture while blaming the male/female achievement gap on female teachers discriminating against males. It makes no sense.
You know it doesn't make sense to me chess and video games. Why so few high performing females? Sexism? Changing the rules to increase male performance?
I am 90% sure that men are smarter than women and women are more conformist than men and there is the greater male variability theory as well. I am also more than 50% sure that we will find lots of pro female bias in education
On the moral/civic front I am fine with charity for the less advantaged. But I am against the lie of equality and that systemic racism/ sexism explains most of the high achievement gaps
Making good grades and being a good student requires a lot of non-cognitive skills that males develop later than females and many males never truly develop. But then again, how does expecting boys to turn in their homework just like girls means that schools are discriminating against boys.
Remember, females are more than 50% of medical school, law school, and the major of new biology PhDs.
And one needs to provide from real world examples of procedures or rules that colleges have that discriminate against white males while not discriminating against black males.
1. Your school grade is combination of your tests and your homework. If men are better at tests and worse at homework then how you average tests & homework is arbitrary / biased. And if girls and boys learn differently then the education system should work to accommodate that rather than expecting only a singular type of student
2. I get the rhetorical favorability of "50% of biology PHDs are women" but are you going to pretend like Simpson's paradox is not a thing? I am fine acknowledging that 50% and it does not effect what I am describing. Why? Because I would expect that based on lowering standards and changing the culture such that it is less desirable to men.
> And one needs to provide from real world examples of procedures or rules that colleges have that discriminate against white males while not discriminating against black males.
3. Friend there are examples of anti-White discrimination (DEI). You are conflating two things. There can be BOTH anti-White and anti-male bias. But the anti-White can be at -50% and the anti-male at -20% thus black males get +30% and white males -70% discrimination.
Serious question: are you used to doing multivariate analysis? All the points above show a lack of this level of analysis from you (I know these are just internet comments but complicated issues require more than univariate analysis)
Still waiting for a cite to a real world example of where males are discriminated against by policy or rule. I suspect that you are from outside the U.S. and do not understand the nuances of the U.S. based upon things you have written.
There are DEI targets within many companies to hire and promote more women. If you want a rule, "Senate Bill 826 requires publicly traded companies based in California to have at least one woman on their board" that was law for 4 years until it was overturned. There is less of this in education since as you have said there are already a majority of women in hire education.
Still waiting for a real world example of how a private university has a different admission standard for women that is easier than for men. Until one can link to a real world example, one is just making stuff up. And has one already forgotten Title IX and the push in education in the 1970's to stop discriminating against females.
And please to not change the topic to corporations. The issue is universities and their procedures.
Have you recently enrolled/attended university? I think for older people it is very difficult to grasp just how discriminatory and racist these institutions have become because they aren’t in contact with them.
I have worked (twice) for selective universities. I have also done a large amount of reading and listening concerning the two SFFA lawsuits. I also did a lot of reading and got to talk to a college president about the Varsity Blues Scandal. I have following college admission controversies surrounding the Fisher, Gratz, Grutter, Hopwood, and Bakke decisions. I quote Richard Reeves on the data concerning male academic performance. And yet, no one seems to be able to link to a specific instance of a university having a different, higher admission standard for males (in general) than females.
And last, I still am waiting for someone to explain why the white/black achievement gap is due to genetics and thus, nothing can be done, versus the male/female gap being due to males being discriminated against.
The injustice is in the forced diversification of the actual college programs themselves. My school made every stem degree easily accessible to female and non white students to boost diversity in those sought after degrees, there was zero option for white male students to change majors and enroll in computer science for instance, they simply were told to leave the school and enroll somewhere else, this was the case in a big flagship public school. In regards to the male-female gap there is greater aptitude variance among males so there are a lot of dumb men not suitable for college which would probably explain why there is an imbalance in college admissions, I personally don’t see that as an injustice against men, I do think there should be non-college paths for middle class attainment for these men through apprenticeships and whatnot and it’d probably prevent many from turning to crime and drugs. Where a white woman would face discrimination at my school would have been in the enrollment process, the admissions look at the demographics of schools and determine only x% are allowed from said school to limit white admittance.
A cite would be helpful. If one really claiming that some school like Calpoly-SLO had different academic standards for white males versus everyone else. What definitive needs some cites. And the other question is whether this occurred in this century.
Im citing first hand experience that is from the past few years, when did you go to college? If you didn’t go in the past 10 years then how can you even speak on these things accurately? The racial beancounting done by school admissions department during the 2010s is old news at this point and you’d have to be arguing utterly in bad faith to deny it. https://x.com/SteveMillerOC/status/1640129607256137730
The change is the way that UCSD stopped looking at SAT scores and starting paying attention to class rank. Texas has had the top percent rule since the 1990's and it works the same way. Also, some asians were told that had had been admitted to UCSD but not to the top engineering or IT programs.
And UCSD is 33% Asian-American undergraduate compared to 19% white. Also, UCSD is 50% male/50% female which means that male applicants are getting some benefits in admission.
> White females are the most likely to attend and then complete college after Asian-Americans.
I want to note that this is a terrible comparison to draw; if you're going to break whites down by sex, you should break other racial groups down by sex too.
White females are the most likely to attend and then complete college after Asian-Americans. How does that demonstrate anti-white discrimination. And the biggest gender achievement gap is between white and black males.
If one looks at SFFA V UNC-Chapel Hill, white males benefit from the athletes advantage in admission. And virtually all highly selective private school use affirmative action to balance the male/female ratios unlike public universities that cannot use affirmative action for males and are thus 55% plus female.
Look data up instead of relying on stereotypes.
If you are for ending all DEI anti white male policies then I am fine with ending athletic scholarships. If you're telling me there are not anti-white male discrimination practices, then you are a liar
No, the SFFA lawsuits showed that whites and Asians are held to different in unequal standards for admission. However, conservatives need to be a much better job at discussing the issue rather than just repeating memes.
If admission is based strictly on merit, the percentage of male students at high end universities goes down. And if one paid attention to the Varsity Blues Scandal, the students and their families using the side door where taking advantage of the admission advantage that athletes get but were not scholarship athletes. One needs to learn how athletics works at most universities.
And if one was really concerned about male employment prospects, then universities should have much bigger programs to get men to go into careers in healthcare, teaching, and mental health.
You are obviously a smart dude. Are you a education believer or are you woke on genetic IQ? I only want college for the top 5% rather than the top 50%? who then assume that they are the top 5% and become horribly resentful
I will own that conservative's share dumb memes because they're mostly dumb. But you downplaying the actual anti-white male discrimination is extremely intellectually dishonest and unvirtuous
White males go to college at a higher rate than black or Hispanic males. White males have an advantage at virtually all selective private universities. Remember, 70% of the students who finish in the top ten percentage of their high school class are female. The only place where males have any advantage is the math portion of the SAT and that gap is closing.
What conservatives need to reconcile is how to they blame the white/black achievement gap on genetic/culture while blaming the male/female achievement gap on female teachers discriminating against males. It makes no sense.
You know it doesn't make sense to me chess and video games. Why so few high performing females? Sexism? Changing the rules to increase male performance?
I am 90% sure that men are smarter than women and women are more conformist than men and there is the greater male variability theory as well. I am also more than 50% sure that we will find lots of pro female bias in education
On the moral/civic front I am fine with charity for the less advantaged. But I am against the lie of equality and that systemic racism/ sexism explains most of the high achievement gaps
Making good grades and being a good student requires a lot of non-cognitive skills that males develop later than females and many males never truly develop. But then again, how does expecting boys to turn in their homework just like girls means that schools are discriminating against boys.
Remember, females are more than 50% of medical school, law school, and the major of new biology PhDs.
And one needs to provide from real world examples of procedures or rules that colleges have that discriminate against white males while not discriminating against black males.
1. Your school grade is combination of your tests and your homework. If men are better at tests and worse at homework then how you average tests & homework is arbitrary / biased. And if girls and boys learn differently then the education system should work to accommodate that rather than expecting only a singular type of student
2. I get the rhetorical favorability of "50% of biology PHDs are women" but are you going to pretend like Simpson's paradox is not a thing? I am fine acknowledging that 50% and it does not effect what I am describing. Why? Because I would expect that based on lowering standards and changing the culture such that it is less desirable to men.
> And one needs to provide from real world examples of procedures or rules that colleges have that discriminate against white males while not discriminating against black males.
3. Friend there are examples of anti-White discrimination (DEI). You are conflating two things. There can be BOTH anti-White and anti-male bias. But the anti-White can be at -50% and the anti-male at -20% thus black males get +30% and white males -70% discrimination.
Serious question: are you used to doing multivariate analysis? All the points above show a lack of this level of analysis from you (I know these are just internet comments but complicated issues require more than univariate analysis)
Still waiting for a cite to a real world example of where males are discriminated against by policy or rule. I suspect that you are from outside the U.S. and do not understand the nuances of the U.S. based upon things you have written.
There are DEI targets within many companies to hire and promote more women. If you want a rule, "Senate Bill 826 requires publicly traded companies based in California to have at least one woman on their board" that was law for 4 years until it was overturned. There is less of this in education since as you have said there are already a majority of women in hire education.
Still waiting for a real world example of how a private university has a different admission standard for women that is easier than for men. Until one can link to a real world example, one is just making stuff up. And has one already forgotten Title IX and the push in education in the 1970's to stop discriminating against females.
And please to not change the topic to corporations. The issue is universities and their procedures.
Have you recently enrolled/attended university? I think for older people it is very difficult to grasp just how discriminatory and racist these institutions have become because they aren’t in contact with them.
I have worked (twice) for selective universities. I have also done a large amount of reading and listening concerning the two SFFA lawsuits. I also did a lot of reading and got to talk to a college president about the Varsity Blues Scandal. I have following college admission controversies surrounding the Fisher, Gratz, Grutter, Hopwood, and Bakke decisions. I quote Richard Reeves on the data concerning male academic performance. And yet, no one seems to be able to link to a specific instance of a university having a different, higher admission standard for males (in general) than females.
And last, I still am waiting for someone to explain why the white/black achievement gap is due to genetics and thus, nothing can be done, versus the male/female gap being due to males being discriminated against.
The injustice is in the forced diversification of the actual college programs themselves. My school made every stem degree easily accessible to female and non white students to boost diversity in those sought after degrees, there was zero option for white male students to change majors and enroll in computer science for instance, they simply were told to leave the school and enroll somewhere else, this was the case in a big flagship public school. In regards to the male-female gap there is greater aptitude variance among males so there are a lot of dumb men not suitable for college which would probably explain why there is an imbalance in college admissions, I personally don’t see that as an injustice against men, I do think there should be non-college paths for middle class attainment for these men through apprenticeships and whatnot and it’d probably prevent many from turning to crime and drugs. Where a white woman would face discrimination at my school would have been in the enrollment process, the admissions look at the demographics of schools and determine only x% are allowed from said school to limit white admittance.
A cite would be helpful. If one really claiming that some school like Calpoly-SLO had different academic standards for white males versus everyone else. What definitive needs some cites. And the other question is whether this occurred in this century.
Im citing first hand experience that is from the past few years, when did you go to college? If you didn’t go in the past 10 years then how can you even speak on these things accurately? The racial beancounting done by school admissions department during the 2010s is old news at this point and you’d have to be arguing utterly in bad faith to deny it. https://x.com/SteveMillerOC/status/1640129607256137730
https://x.com/SteveMillerOC/status/1782107192424014272
The change is the way that UCSD stopped looking at SAT scores and starting paying attention to class rank. Texas has had the top percent rule since the 1990's and it works the same way. Also, some asians were told that had had been admitted to UCSD but not to the top engineering or IT programs.
And UCSD is 33% Asian-American undergraduate compared to 19% white. Also, UCSD is 50% male/50% female which means that male applicants are getting some benefits in admission.
> White females are the most likely to attend and then complete college after Asian-Americans.
I want to note that this is a terrible comparison to draw; if you're going to break whites down by sex, you should break other racial groups down by sex too.
In every ethnic category, females are more likely to attend than males, even with Asian-Americans. And for many of the same reasons.