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Keep recycling "Noticing" for those too parsimonious and ADHD to read the whole thing

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It is amazing how they just make stuff up. Black women face higher risks but not from police. Ignoring this and cutting back on police means more dead black women (and their children) but I guess Kimberley Crenshaw (like BLM( doesn't care about that.

I used to do research on gender and race when I was an academic. I actually compared black women, white women and black men to white men and estimated how their compensation varied with tenure (length of time at a job) and experience (years in the job market). The paper was not a big hit and my coauthor changed the emphasis to get it in a more left journal but can be found here:

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/13504850110097385

What we found (using data from the 1980s) is controlling for education levels (although not majors) and years in the labor market, were that on average

1. Black men earned about 10% less than white men.

2. White women earned about 30% less then white men

3. Black women earned the same as white women so 30% less than white men.

I didn't have enough data to do hispanics or Asians unfortunately.

It would be interesting to get newer data and see how that changed. I have never seen much evidence of intersectionality in a broad based data set but purportedly there is a new work on STEM workers which shows some. I haven't seen it yet though.

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One of the striking facts I remember from a labor econ class during my miserable time at Cornell was that black married women do not leave jobs. Once you hire one, you got 'em for life, so choose well.

Dunno if that's still the case, as I learned this many years ago - don't ask, I won't tell.

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Jul 31Liked by Steve Sailer

I specifically wrote black married women.

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Chetty found much the same more recently: the relationship between black and white women's earnings are about what you'd predict from their parents' earnings, but black men do worse than their parents relative to white men.

Chetty hints it's mostly crime, which is why he advises moms with black sons to move to some low rent white exurb where your son won't be recruited into a black street gang.

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Jul 31·edited Jul 31Liked by Steve Sailer

KIMBERLE CRENSHAW

- Born May 1959, in Canton, Ohio, to Black parents.

- Her father was Walter Clarence Crenshaw Jr. (1935-1969), said to have been born in Millersburg, Bourbon County, Kentucky -- a nearly-all-White town, in a 95%+ White county. He was raised largely in Louisville, Kentucky.

- KImberle's grandfather, Walter Clarence Crenshaw Sr., was of Alabama birth. Apparently he moved north, around late teen-age in the late-1910s, chronologically associated with the sudden war-industry boom involved in the U.S. decision to enter the war in Europe. He ended up married a Black woman native to Kentucky. He was therefore one of the very first-wave of the Blacks Moving North phenomenon that came to be so important by later decades of the 20th century.

- Walter Clarence Crenshaw Jr. (Kimberle's father) graduated from Kentucky State College around 1957. By 1959, he was working as a teacher at a high school at Canton, Ohio, when daughter Kimeberle was born. Kimberle's mother was also a teacher.

- Walter Jr., Kimberle's father, was well-connected and smooth-talking enough to be appointed head of the Canton Housing Authority in early 1969 (at only age 33), but he died later that same year.

- Kimberle was accepted to Cornell, ca. 1977. She graduated with a BA in "government and Africana studies," (May 1981). She was then off to Harvard Law (JD, 1984). Served as a clerk to senior Wisconsin judge, Shirley Abrahamson, 1985-86; then was offered a job at UCLA Law School, which she accepted (1986).

- At UCLA, in 1989, Kimberle published "Demarginalizing the Intersection of Race and Sex: A Black Feminist Critique of Anti-discrimination Doctrine Feminist Theory and Antiracist Politics" which introduces the word/concept "intersectionality," a term later highlighted frequently by Steve Sailer.

- A review of Kimberle's academic output, 1980s to 2020s, shows it is ALL about topics now central to Wokeness, especially Blackness and Feminism.

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(Comment: There is no doubt a good deal of talent in Kimberle Crenshaw's family. But we also see that the USA in the 20th century really treated that family (at the least, herself and her father) very well. Probably too well: The 'Elephant' in the whatever room one is reading this bio in, is that Kimberle aged-into college-admissions just about the time race-preferences for both Blacks and women had become firmly established.

A review of race-and-sex student data for Cornell shows that as of 1980, when Kimberle was a student there, the process of moving towards Cornell's post-1960s favored balance was getting there but was not "there" yet: https://www.unz.com/enrollments/?r&ID=190415&Institution=Cornell+University .

A large, serious 'demand' for such people as Kimberle Crenshaw was created in the third-quarter of the 20th century. By the time she entered that world soon after the fourth-quarter of the 20th century opened, she flew straight to the top: Cornell, Harvard Law, and finally a plum slot at UCLA Law in1986; she only turned 27 in May of that year.)

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It reminds me of the creation of the "colored elite" post Civil War. They're a fascinating lot. When Reconstruction was over and they lost their patronage jobs, the heyday was over. They and their descendants drifted into obscurity as time passed.

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Jul 31Liked by Steve Sailer

Good analogy.

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Welp... the current lot is not obscure yet.

But the post Civil War colored elite really did well, and then just vanished, leaving hardly a trace. It was an example as to how being favored politically but not creating dynastic continuity by amassing money and portable skills is only temporarily advantageous. Once your patrons go, so do you.

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Jul 31·edited Jul 31Liked by Steve Sailer

Cornell University was as high as 60% White-male at the time Kimberle Crenshaw was offered admission in 1977. Technically always open to women, it was male-centric until a point in the late-1970s; it was also effectively all-White until the late 1960s.

Here is a graph of the male vs female enrollment totals at Cornell (data to early 2010s):

https://brancra.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/cornell_enrollment_1.png

You see the female numbers start to really take off with the 1969-70 academic-year. From 1970 to 2000, there is a push underway to to get male-female parity. Females tilted into majority-status in the 2012-13 academic year. Kimberle Crenshaw, coming in 1977, arrives still in the relatively-early days of this process. (at about the 8-year mark of the 45-year process).

Here is Cornell Law School, for what it's worth, which shows that inflexion-point in more stark relief:

https://ithacating.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/cornell_enrollment_4_law.png

Here is one department (Veterinary Medicine) in Cornell that tipped from all-male to majority-female already in Kimberle Crenshaw's time there:

https://brancra.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/cornell_enrollment_6_dvm1.png

By the late 2010s, Cornell University as a whole had sunk to as low as 20% White-male (adjusting for likely-White elements of the 'Unknowns' and foreign students). If you count only White-males of full-European-Christian origin (the core-population of the USA; the historic, culture-shaping, institution-creating, founding element), we might put it at ca. 15%.

Kimberle Crenshaw was part of this de-Westernization process, and her status as both Black and female did indeed help her, so her Insersectionality theory is correct as far as that goes.

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An observation that is currently popular on Twitter is that black people struggle with mathematical concepts such as "per capita". Sadly Crenshaw is lending credence to this observation. Perhaps math is racist.

> But black men tend to be so self-burdened by criminal records that many fail to exploit modern America’s pro-black bias.

You may be conflating cause-and-effect here. The characteristics that cause black men to be overrepresented in the prison population are the same ones that cause them to be less-than-average employees, especially in white collar roles. Black women tend to do better in these roles, especially in make-work government clerical positions where they have the full benefit of the EOE/AA laws. I am of the opinion that these jobs are merely a fig leaf for welfare, but that is the topic for another post.

> Much racist antiwhite speech like this tweet is generated by educated black women angry at the black men in their lives for acting like lazy knuckleheads.

I'm sure this is said behind closed doors, just like uncomfortable truths about blacks can be spoken by blacks at the black barber shop, as depicted in Coming to America and other movies.

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My guess is that dispersing blacks from Compton to the exurbs of Southern California over the last 40 years has tended to lower the total Southern California homicide rate by breaking up black youth gangs. There are probably a fair number of black male youths who from age 10 to 16 or whatever are at high risk of joining their neighborhood urban gang, but if there is no neighborhood urban gang because they live way out in the exurbs, well, they'll probably grow up to be at least employable.

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Jul 31·edited Jul 31

> Looking at individual rather than household income on tax returns, Chetty found that in 2014–2015 the median white woman age 31 to 37 made 30 percent more than the median black woman. But white men made well over twice as much as black men.

Well, is the more successful white woman the one with the personal income, or the one with no income and a high-earning husband?

Why would we be interested in personal income?

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Why wouldn't we be interested in both?

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We might be interested in both, but only subject to the caveat that personal income indicates opposite things for men and for women.

If black women have low household incomes and high personal incomes relative to white women, that's not one loss offset by one win, it's two losses.

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I look into those questions here:

https://www.takimag.com/article/the-chetty-charts/

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Jul 31Liked by Steve Sailer

And how many women are married to wealthy guys but do not work compared to assortative mating couples where both make a good income. The upper middle class is driven much more by two income couples than one income households with a stay at home wife.

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Jul 31Liked by Steve Sailer

That would imply that it's unnecessary to distinguish household income from personal income, because they tell you the same thing. I don't think that's actually the case?

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Jul 31Liked by Steve Sailer

If one wants to argue about the differences, the white, white-collared female married to a white-collared male has taken on much less economic risks than a stay at home female married to a high earner for a variety of reasons.

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The way she spells her first name annoys me: Kimberlé.

I can't get past that.

Re: black gay men, there's this study:

https://psmag.com/economics/the-high-salary-trifecta-gay-black-and-male

Links in article.

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Jul 31Liked by Steve Sailer

Did her parents gave her the alternate spelling at birth in 1959? Or might she have amended her own name-spelling in or around late teenage in the 1970s?

If she was named "Kimberle" (with final 'e') at birth in 1959, that's early for the Black creative-naming trend. But a lot of water was left to flow under the bridge before the "Shakwanda" era.

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Cf.: a few others

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LATOYA

In 1971 entered the top-1000 new-baby names in the USA (according to the Social Security Administration database) for births; and entered the top-100 in 1991. Blacks began giving up on the name in the 1990s and it again dropped out of the top-1000 in 1995.

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SHANIQUA

In 1989 entered the top-1000 baby-names; dropped out in 1995. (alt spellings like "Shanequa" also in top-1000 around his time)

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TRAYVON

in top-1000 from 1994 to 1996. (Trayvon Martin, born Feb 1995, died in Florida, Feb 2012).

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TYRELL

In top-1000 from 1979 to 2013.

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AALIYAH

A female rapper born to Black-U.S.-origin parents in 1979, in 1994 (at age fifteen) became a hit in hip-hop music and the name has stayed in the top-1000 ever since then.

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John Derbyshire once expressed interest in doing a study of how and why Black naming-conventions changed from generally following White-norms to going way-overboard and coming up with the Chaneekquahs and the Shokwandahs.

Merle Haggard's idea of mocking Black names was to assign them the name "Willy Woodrow" in his 1977 song "I'm a White Boy." He didn't quite yet perceive what was then already underway with the large-scale, conscious de-Westernization of names of Blacks at large-scale.

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Jul 31·edited Jul 31Liked by Steve Sailer

I don't know. Kimberle (without the accent,) is an acceptable variation of a middlebrow inoffensive name: Kimberly.

But if she spells it Kimberlé. now, it's by choice. It's the name she became famous as.

That said it's quite different from the Shaniqua type names.

Re: Aaliyah, Caitlin Clark got me interested in wimmin's hoops. One of her teammates is named Aliyah with one "a." She's Virgin Islands-born, middle-class, & speaks normal English. She appears to be straight. (The Fever team has a shockingly high number of straight women on its roster, including one mother!)

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I see that the player you noticed is ALIYAH EDWARDS, born early July 2002.

Her parents may have named her "Aliyah" because a young Black-female music sensation who went by the sole name "Aaliyah" (like "Cher") died tragically in a plane crash less than a year earlier (late-August 2001), aged only 22.

It used to be common for White families to name children based on major events of around the time the child was born. It is said that Woody Guthrie was only a "Woody" because he was born the year Professor Wilson was elected president in 1912, delighting his pro-Democratic family in Oklahoma.

One thing I haven't seen is any rise in babies named "Donald" or any variation based on the name of Trump. But I could be wrong. And the media and ruling-party apparatus' powers may be enough to "meme" Popular Kamala into existence, but they aren't enough to get people to name baby-girls the terrible name "Kamala" that no one knows how they're supposed to pronounce...

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Given the current Kamala mania there might be a few babies after her.

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Aliyah Boston is the Indiana Fever Aliyah. In her case, it might be Bible-based because she's a Christian and quotes Scripture in her self-description. Aliyah means "to ascend" in Hebrew.

I think you mean based on major personalities of the time, not major events.

That works sometimes and other times doesn't. There was no uptick in "Diana" during the heyday of the late princess, tho she was the most famous woman of her time.

I don't think there's anything wrong w/the name Kamala per se. There was an Indian actress named Kamala Devi, who was briefly popular in the days before diversity as an exotic.

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Follow-up on the name "Latoya":

Among the first to be named "LaToya" was one of Michael Jackson (1958-2009)'s sisters. LaToya Jackson (b.1956) was not famous yet in 1971 when this name entered the USA's top-1000 baby-names.

LaToya Jackson didn't get much attention before the 1980s, and was not in the public eye much at all before around 1976. So the rise of "LaToya" was not in honor of Michael Jackson's sister.

How "LaToya" emerged as such a popular Black name in the USA in the 1970s, I don't know. How any of these Black names got traction is hard to say. With fad White names (usually girls' names), you can often trace a clear origin, like the famous story of the explosion of the name "Madison" being based on a cute scene in a movie.

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African-Americans tend to have a fairly limited number of WASP surnames (Jackson, Johnson, etc etc), so they had a rational motivation for getting creative with first names to create more conveniently distinctive full names so they wouldn't get confused as much with other John Johnsons and the like.

Of course, they got carried away.

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They could have done it the NoI way: a number, and then an X, like Thomas 15X Johnson, one of Malcolm X's accused then exonerated assassins.

This whole thing confused me: I thought they either changed their names completely or just dropped the 'slave name' & went by First Name X when they joined an NoI mosque. But apparently not. Another of Malcolm's accused assassins was Norman 3X Butler.

This makes it really confusing to read about them because many of them ended up changing their names to a fully Muslim name afterward, which Muslim name is itself repetitive of a gazillion other guys. Norman 3X Butler changed his name to... Muhammad Abdul Aziz. Who could be from Pakistan, Brighton, or Jordan.

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Jul 31Liked by Steve Sailer

Steve should try reading Richard Reeves book "Of Boys and Men" where this subject is covered in detail. As pointed out, when things are done to help females, black males are disadvantaged more than white or Asian males.

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Jul 31Liked by Steve Sailer

For some reason Crenshaw seems to pronounce her first name as if it was spelled properly as Kimberly. As it is actually spelled, it should be pronounced something more akin to Kimberlay.

Also, a black woman who uses SandyLocks as her Twitter handle is performing a masterful troll job.

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I'm pretty sure that she meant that "despite black women making up only 10 percent of the [female] population, they make up 30 percent of the [women] who are shot by police."

Like every US racial statistical disparity, the woke triumphantly use it as evidence of "structural racism" and refuse to even contemplate that the same numbers might admit of a "racial realist" interpretation.

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Jul 31Liked by Steve Sailer

That makes sense of her nonsense. Wonder what the Hispanic numbers are--of the female population (who knows?) and of women shot by police.

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Hispanic-American women do not get in trouble with the law much. Hispanic culture tends to be strong on sex roles: men should be macho, women should be nice.

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Be like mami.

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Except she said they make up less than 10% and they make up about 14% percent of the female population. So you would need to take out the first female. I suspect she saw that second statistic and confused it, which is fine if you’re a normal person, but embarrassing when you’re a law professor.

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Damn, I love these Steve Sailer-inspired threads! Awesome discussion. 👍

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