It's not really irrelevant if "generations" is literally the term that the WaPo used. I don't know of any reckoning by which 2005 was "generations" ago. So by any standard, the WaPo was being at least disingenuous, if not outright lying.
Unless they meant fruit fly generations...
One might also quibble with the WaPo use of the word "consensus" to describe a ~60% preponderance of policy preference. One suspects the WaPo wouldn't have used "consensus" to describe the preceding epoch where there was a ~60% preponderance against immigration.
So, two lies in the space of five words. You outdo yourselves, WaPo!
When they lie about everything else, we shouldn't believe them when they say, "It was a mistake," even if that admission confirms our POV. See also: Facebook saying "Oops!" about every addictive, awful feature they ever introduced to derange our kids...that turned out to be addictive, awful, and deranging.
I swear watching liberal politicians over the course of my lifetime has been like watching low-IQ teenage boys repeatedly doing the dumbest, most obviously self-destructive things possible, and never learning from their mistakes. Like, "hey dudes--everyone cover themselves with gasoline and stand around as I launch this firework off my head!" Head gets blown off, bunch of others get horribly burned, etc. Everyone cries, so sad how things turned out. Then after the funerals: "Hey dudes--watch me light this firework off my head!"
It's like that but worse, because they're doing this at the scale of cities, states, and nations. "Open borders!" "Infinity 3rd world immigrants!" "Defund the police!" "Mutilate kids' genitalia and give them artificial hormones!" "Disparate impact!" "Diversity, Equity, Inclusion!" "Eliminate education standards!" "Don't incarcerate criminals!" Etc.
These aren't complicated policy positions where disagreement and debate are expected and necessary, say like trade or tax issues. No, these are patently terrible, horrible, ridiculous ideas that you'd have to be insane to even consider...and yet, not are they only considered, they're enthusiastically espoused by half or more of the population and nearly the entire establishment class, and repeatedly implemented via official policy, always with the easily predictable catastrophic results.
It boggles the mind that so many high-IQ individuals subscribe to this insanity and that we're here on the outside pleading for some basic common sense. "Please don't mutilate kid's genitals because their mom tells them they're gender confused." "Please put violent criminals in jail and don't excuse their behavior on their race." "Please don't import the entire 3rd world into our previously peaceable and orderly communities." And for these requests, we are demonized with frothing-at-the-mouth vitriol, using every nonsense ad hominem smear in the liberal lexicon (racist, nativist, transphobe, etc.)
You'd retain more energy if you refrained from penning such ad nausem comments like this one made here. If you had a few more IQ points, you might have realized it wasn't worth your time.
Trudeau has commented in the past that he didn't want Canada to have a "core population." The "core" are the descendants of the white Canadians who built the nation. Men like my Great Uncle whose body was last seen floating in the North Sea in 1942. Trudeau is truly an evil man. The left throughout the world is anti-white.
Haha gotcha Steve. Any fool can see that rent inflation has not gone up as much as the population. Admittedly, that's just a matter of the units used in the graph but hardly seems as catastrophic as you claim. But of course, I am not just any fool but one that grasps at any straw I see. A clearer picture of what is happening could only be had by personally house-hunting in Vancouver which thank goodness I won't be having to do. Do the Canucks run their elections any better than we do? They could hardly run them worse. Otherwise I would predict the end of Justin Trudeau's political career. But we still have Nancy Pelosi, Jerry Nadler and Bernie Sanders so I suppose our neighbors might have to suffer with him for decades to come. Loved "Noticing" BTW. I have several chapters that I like rereading, particularly "Is Love Colorblind?". Keep up the good work.
In my city of Victoria, BC, a real estate agent said the only young buying anything are getting massive parental help. Meanwhile rents are so high that young married couples are forced to live with parents. I’m 73 and I have never seen anything like this in my life.
Trudeau is hugely unpopular but of course I don’t know the immigrants think. He’s fast tracking them to citizenship as fast as possible (the whole thing can be done online). He’s hoping this will save him.
Urban and suburban properties are almost impossible for young people to afford in certain cities of America, Canada and Europe. I advise any young adult that they should move out to the small towns or rural areas.
"Any fool can see that rent inflation has not gone up as much as the population."
Actually it's not as obvious as you think it is. Was Any Fool confused (I admit it IS unnecessarily confusing) by the fact that that the "Canada's population growth" line is not in percentage the way the "rental percentage" line is? It appears that the orange line will move to generally above the red line if you change the scale on the left from 2% to 1% per division. (I'm assuming the left scale is percents, which is reasonable but you're not actually told this, that I can see.)
Imagine how frustrating it must be to be Maxime Bernier, who was shut out of candidate fora for advocating immigration limits a few years ago. Back then it was unspeakable racism that put him beyond the bounds of respectable discourse, now abruptly it is sensible mainstream liberal policy.
of course not. If you send everyone home and pay them not to work how can there be shortages...or how could there not be "shortages" and how would immigration fix that; unless your attitude was that it's not safe for Canadaians but it is safe for foreigners
Too little, too late as the vibrant diversity outbreeds the Canadian people. When I travel in rural Ontario is still see every Tim Hortons staffed by subcontinent-types.
It's Indians, basically. 5 years ago my local community college was a mixed bag of older white people and a few black people. I went for a walk through the campus several days ago and the student population is now literally 95% Indian. Trains coming in from the suburbs are 90% Indian. A&W, Canada's McDonald's, has recently begun serving burgers with Indian flavors. Every fast food restaurant, Tim Hortons, grocery store, and dollar store are staffed by literally 100% Indians. I'm not sure the details, but I've heard that the new batch of Indians is drawn from some poor, backward province of India. We're not talking software developers or doctors. Canadians tend to be very politically correct, but now people talk freely in public and online about how much they dislike Indians. Imagine: liberal white women talking freely in public about how much they dislike a certain race.
Correct. My sister was banned from Reddit the other day. They don’t tell you why but she thinks it was because she complaining about Trudeau’s insane immigration policy.
"Why do political elites keep making the same mistakes everywhere all the time?"
Our political elite disdains politics and prefers to imagine themselves as a moral and intellectual elite class chosen to guide us all (especially the benighted rubes) toward the Right Side of History, which pretty much tracks with John Lennon's "Imagine".
Also, what could be more delicious than being a moral priesthood carrying the new White Woman's Emotional Burden (which replaced the White Man's Burden) and erasing our nations and their evil histories in a public spasm of atonement—while also doing the bidding of the donor class and watching that 401(k) soar? Talk about doing well while doing good!
Our elites first hogged all the money then they hogged all the virtue, and there is simply no higher moral status in the modern West than being a leading White Savior, as White Saviorism is the last god standing in the West (next to Mammon of course).
They make the same mistakes because they read articles and books that are available internationally, because their national press reports on elites in foreign countries, because they are indoctrinated by and include professors who work internationally, and because they attend conferences and recreational facilities in common. Domhoff's studies of the USA upper social class make it look national, but elites of various countries make efforts to be international. At the very highest level, we see the Trilateral Commission, the World Economic Forum, and the Bilderburger Conference. We do not see publicity in political publications of upper social classes mingling recreationally, but we do see it in society and gossip/recreational (tabloid) reporting.
It is necessary to have a populist counterweight to the fads and fashions of that subculture, because it does not have adult supervision.
“Too many, too fast, without proper infrastructure was a huge error.
The other component that no one wants to mention is the vast majority of our immigration numbers are coming from one country. I'd like to see our immigration be more balance & diverse from multiple of countries not just one that clearly dominates.”
"That consensus, built over generations, has cut across the political spectrum.
But there have been signs that Canada’s consensus is at risk. Last week, an Environics Institute poll found that nearly 60 percent of Canadians agree that there is “too much immigration” — the highest share in a quarter-century and the fastest shift in a two-year period since it began asking the question in 1977."
The elites keep making the same mistakes because they attended the same sort of schools, and hate the non-elite.
Ninja'd.
Also they truly hate the non elite among their own people and want to be rid of them.
It isn't a mistake, it is intentional.
> "That consensus, built over generations..."
Funny way to say, "That consensus, manufactured very recently...".
> "Why do political elites keep making the same mistakes everywhere all the time?"
Why indeed?
Maybe they don't regard it as a mistake?
Look on p.10 of https://www.environicsinstitute.org/docs/default-source/focus-canada-fall-2023/focus-canada-fall-2023---canadian-public-opinion-about-immigration-refugees---final-report.pdf for the historic record of this poll. It never amounted to what I would regard as a "consensus" but an apparently secure majority approval of high immigration had been successfully "manufactured" by 2005, which I would not call "very recently". The recent reversal is quite violent, however.
How many "generations" have elapsed since 2005?
Irrelevant. I can disagree with you without agreeing with the WaPo.
It's not really irrelevant if "generations" is literally the term that the WaPo used. I don't know of any reckoning by which 2005 was "generations" ago. So by any standard, the WaPo was being at least disingenuous, if not outright lying.
Unless they meant fruit fly generations...
One might also quibble with the WaPo use of the word "consensus" to describe a ~60% preponderance of policy preference. One suspects the WaPo wouldn't have used "consensus" to describe the preceding epoch where there was a ~60% preponderance against immigration.
So, two lies in the space of five words. You outdo yourselves, WaPo!
When they lie about everything else, we shouldn't believe them when they say, "It was a mistake," even if that admission confirms our POV. See also: Facebook saying "Oops!" about every addictive, awful feature they ever introduced to derange our kids...that turned out to be addictive, awful, and deranging.
I swear watching liberal politicians over the course of my lifetime has been like watching low-IQ teenage boys repeatedly doing the dumbest, most obviously self-destructive things possible, and never learning from their mistakes. Like, "hey dudes--everyone cover themselves with gasoline and stand around as I launch this firework off my head!" Head gets blown off, bunch of others get horribly burned, etc. Everyone cries, so sad how things turned out. Then after the funerals: "Hey dudes--watch me light this firework off my head!"
It's like that but worse, because they're doing this at the scale of cities, states, and nations. "Open borders!" "Infinity 3rd world immigrants!" "Defund the police!" "Mutilate kids' genitalia and give them artificial hormones!" "Disparate impact!" "Diversity, Equity, Inclusion!" "Eliminate education standards!" "Don't incarcerate criminals!" Etc.
These aren't complicated policy positions where disagreement and debate are expected and necessary, say like trade or tax issues. No, these are patently terrible, horrible, ridiculous ideas that you'd have to be insane to even consider...and yet, not are they only considered, they're enthusiastically espoused by half or more of the population and nearly the entire establishment class, and repeatedly implemented via official policy, always with the easily predictable catastrophic results.
It boggles the mind that so many high-IQ individuals subscribe to this insanity and that we're here on the outside pleading for some basic common sense. "Please don't mutilate kid's genitals because their mom tells them they're gender confused." "Please put violent criminals in jail and don't excuse their behavior on their race." "Please don't import the entire 3rd world into our previously peaceable and orderly communities." And for these requests, we are demonized with frothing-at-the-mouth vitriol, using every nonsense ad hominem smear in the liberal lexicon (racist, nativist, transphobe, etc.)
Its all so tiresome.
You'd retain more energy if you refrained from penning such ad nausem comments like this one made here. If you had a few more IQ points, you might have realized it wasn't worth your time.
If you had a few more IQ points you'd maybe realize that "retaining energy" isn't the priority you imagine it is while the world is going to hell.
Elon Musk said, the in a sort of speech, the Bill of Rights, Borders, these aren't conservative ideas, these are normal.
Try writing in English.
"...these are patently terrible, horrible, ridiculous ideas that you'd have to be insane to even consider." Yes, I completely agree!
Trust me, Trudeau is an idiot trading on his name. Not that I was ever impressed with Trudeau Sr.
Trudeau has commented in the past that he didn't want Canada to have a "core population." The "core" are the descendants of the white Canadians who built the nation. Men like my Great Uncle whose body was last seen floating in the North Sea in 1942. Trudeau is truly an evil man. The left throughout the world is anti-white.
Completely agree.
Haha gotcha Steve. Any fool can see that rent inflation has not gone up as much as the population. Admittedly, that's just a matter of the units used in the graph but hardly seems as catastrophic as you claim. But of course, I am not just any fool but one that grasps at any straw I see. A clearer picture of what is happening could only be had by personally house-hunting in Vancouver which thank goodness I won't be having to do. Do the Canucks run their elections any better than we do? They could hardly run them worse. Otherwise I would predict the end of Justin Trudeau's political career. But we still have Nancy Pelosi, Jerry Nadler and Bernie Sanders so I suppose our neighbors might have to suffer with him for decades to come. Loved "Noticing" BTW. I have several chapters that I like rereading, particularly "Is Love Colorblind?". Keep up the good work.
In my city of Victoria, BC, a real estate agent said the only young buying anything are getting massive parental help. Meanwhile rents are so high that young married couples are forced to live with parents. I’m 73 and I have never seen anything like this in my life.
Trudeau is hugely unpopular but of course I don’t know the immigrants think. He’s fast tracking them to citizenship as fast as possible (the whole thing can be done online). He’s hoping this will save him.
Urban and suburban properties are almost impossible for young people to afford in certain cities of America, Canada and Europe. I advise any young adult that they should move out to the small towns or rural areas.
"Any fool can see that rent inflation has not gone up as much as the population."
Actually it's not as obvious as you think it is. Was Any Fool confused (I admit it IS unnecessarily confusing) by the fact that that the "Canada's population growth" line is not in percentage the way the "rental percentage" line is? It appears that the orange line will move to generally above the red line if you change the scale on the left from 2% to 1% per division. (I'm assuming the left scale is percents, which is reasonable but you're not actually told this, that I can see.)
Imagine how frustrating it must be to be Maxime Bernier, who was shut out of candidate fora for advocating immigration limits a few years ago. Back then it was unspeakable racism that put him beyond the bounds of respectable discourse, now abruptly it is sensible mainstream liberal policy.
"Canada set record targets, in part to plug pandemic labor shortages."
So due to everyone's disastrous pandemic public health policy of preventing people from going to work, Canada had labor shortages?
I don’t believe there were labour shortages. That’s just an excuse.
of course not. If you send everyone home and pay them not to work how can there be shortages...or how could there not be "shortages" and how would immigration fix that; unless your attitude was that it's not safe for Canadaians but it is safe for foreigners
Too little, too late as the vibrant diversity outbreeds the Canadian people. When I travel in rural Ontario is still see every Tim Hortons staffed by subcontinent-types.
It's Indians, basically. 5 years ago my local community college was a mixed bag of older white people and a few black people. I went for a walk through the campus several days ago and the student population is now literally 95% Indian. Trains coming in from the suburbs are 90% Indian. A&W, Canada's McDonald's, has recently begun serving burgers with Indian flavors. Every fast food restaurant, Tim Hortons, grocery store, and dollar store are staffed by literally 100% Indians. I'm not sure the details, but I've heard that the new batch of Indians is drawn from some poor, backward province of India. We're not talking software developers or doctors. Canadians tend to be very politically correct, but now people talk freely in public and online about how much they dislike Indians. Imagine: liberal white women talking freely in public about how much they dislike a certain race.
Correct. My sister was banned from Reddit the other day. They don’t tell you why but she thinks it was because she complaining about Trudeau’s insane immigration policy.
I’m thinking Davos encourages politicians to make these mistakes.
"Why do political elites keep making the same mistakes everywhere all the time?"
Our political elite disdains politics and prefers to imagine themselves as a moral and intellectual elite class chosen to guide us all (especially the benighted rubes) toward the Right Side of History, which pretty much tracks with John Lennon's "Imagine".
Also, what could be more delicious than being a moral priesthood carrying the new White Woman's Emotional Burden (which replaced the White Man's Burden) and erasing our nations and their evil histories in a public spasm of atonement—while also doing the bidding of the donor class and watching that 401(k) soar? Talk about doing well while doing good!
Our elites first hogged all the money then they hogged all the virtue, and there is simply no higher moral status in the modern West than being a leading White Savior, as White Saviorism is the last god standing in the West (next to Mammon of course).
They make the same mistakes because they read articles and books that are available internationally, because their national press reports on elites in foreign countries, because they are indoctrinated by and include professors who work internationally, and because they attend conferences and recreational facilities in common. Domhoff's studies of the USA upper social class make it look national, but elites of various countries make efforts to be international. At the very highest level, we see the Trilateral Commission, the World Economic Forum, and the Bilderburger Conference. We do not see publicity in political publications of upper social classes mingling recreationally, but we do see it in society and gossip/recreational (tabloid) reporting.
It is necessary to have a populist counterweight to the fads and fashions of that subculture, because it does not have adult supervision.
Top comment at the Washington Post;
“Too many, too fast, without proper infrastructure was a huge error.
The other component that no one wants to mention is the vast majority of our immigration numbers are coming from one country. I'd like to see our immigration be more balance & diverse from multiple of countries not just one that clearly dominates.”
"That consensus, built over generations, has cut across the political spectrum.
But there have been signs that Canada’s consensus is at risk. Last week, an Environics Institute poll found that nearly 60 percent of Canadians agree that there is “too much immigration” — the highest share in a quarter-century and the fastest shift in a two-year period since it began asking the question in 1977."
Looking up the Fall 2023 Evironics poll (https://www.environicsinstitute.org/docs/default-source/focus-canada-fall-2023/focus-canada-fall-2023---canadian-public-opinion-about-immigration-refugees---final-report.pdf table p.10) it seems that "too much immigration" first lost out in 2000 and was still at only 44% in Sept. 23, though up from 27% in Sept. 22 (lowest ever). If it's now up to nearly 60% that's quite a violent change.