My friend thinks that the Dems can just turn blm back on whenever they want while I've long argued that blacks as a moral cudgel against white Americans is dead for at least the next decade and probably for the rest of my life
You're righter on more things than your friend, but the massive phalanx of nice white ladies has not yet been, and likely never will be defeated and deterred from their mission to undermine a competitive, forward-facing American colossus. Your friend's got you on that one
The funny thing is, I don't really see Latinos in over their heads due to DEI. They seem content to seek their level, do a competent job, and go home for the day.
I think a lot of them also find white people pretty cool. They seem to really enjoy the Marine Corps.
The Civil Rights Era (roughly just passing its 60th bday) where black people reside at the center of the American moral universe and your attitude/deference toward them defines your moral and social worth (see: Steve Sailer) is giving way to our postracial future, where Asians (East and South) and Latinos will have more power and much less racial guilt to be exploited (if any at all).
The Golden Age of White Guilt is receding, though of course it may be jolted alive a few more times this decade. We'll have to see the next time a white cop snuffs out a black dude.
I implied nothing. I pointed out that the numbers I provided do indeed imply that "White cop kills Black man" DOES happen every week. I'm not responsible for the gremlins my words generate in your head.
"where Asians (East and South) and Latinos will have more power and much less racial guilt to be exploited (if any at all)."
---I dunno. With Ellis Island immigrants --who showed up *after* the Civil War, owned no slaves, and had to deal with black street crime in their face for decades until they moved out of the cities---they managed to make their kids and grandkids feel bad for blacks and feel guilt (for doing nothing!).
East Asians and Hispanics now may be not caring about black issues, but their kids and grand kids can be converted. Already you can see east asian and hispanic comedians who are the sons and daughters of immigrants spouting the same guilt-tripping lines about being privileged over blacks and such. The propaganda machine goes hard.
yeah i see your point for sure but I would add that all these prior generations (most esp if they were college-educated) were raised in the Civil Rights era where Civil Rights morality is/was a class marker and social signal—more or less being, the more you mock whitey and pity black people the more morally enlightened you are;
and as for the asian and latino kids born and/or raised here in the past 30ish years, the smart ones know that you'll never climb the social/career ladder without burning a pinch of incense to the gods of white guilt and that (esp in the Social Justice era) performing as a "minoritized" victim of white supremacy opened almost every door.
But I would see this cohort as more of a harbinger of our postracial future, not its instantation. But whether the Civil Rights era ends tomorrow or lives another decade it will be the black people who sell words and/or grievances for a living who will find themselves displaced, as their currency will be seriously devalued and their skin color will no longer carry the heavy symbolic weight that allows it to work also as a credential.
I disagree. So long as Jews run the social justice propaganda in this country, blacks grievances will always be shoved down people's (especially children's) throats until a critical mass of guilt is reached.
As Steve has pointed out, Jews have long used black grievance guilt as a Trojan horse/cover/front to run to prevent people from turning on Jews. The theory is simple: so long as people are obsessing/noticing grievances/feeling guilty over the loud, criminally violent blacks they won't notice Jewish misbehavior as much. And so long as people feel guilt over blacks despite black behavior they will be so emotionally confused they won't be able to get angry at Jewish misbehavior (or notice that it is specifically Jewish in nature) without feeling some guilt about it.
Jewish enthusiastically started and supported black-grievance orgs like the NAACP (along with displaced WASPs who hated that the Ellis Island Irish/Italians were taking over). Jews went after Jim Crow in the 50s because it pitted blacks as victims against evil whites (much of it under Moscow-communist direction to destabilize the most anti-communist part of the nation). Jews have long tried to "organize" blacks into communist-run unions for this end, and encouraged black bad behavior (soft on crime, selling drugs to them) to terrorize whites and keep the confusion going.
And of course predictably when smarter blacks (such as Elijah Muhammed or Malcolm X) realize the game and turn on Jews suddenly the movements slow down/collapse and Jews start playing the victim. The similarities of this scenario to the old Jewish Golem story have long been noted, where the Golem turns on the Jewish rabbi who brings him to life to serve as his muscle.
The Hispanic and Asian children in this country are just as prone to powerful Jewish pro-black propaganda as Ellis Island whites were. It merely takes time for it to take hold of the youth. The immigrant "racist grandfather" trope exists precisely because the grandkids are already taught to be embarrassed by the frank view on race relations.
While you're mocking, this is very largely a Jewish-caused issue. Before mass Eastern European Jewish migration, this kind of propaganda and guilt-mongering didn't exist in the U.S., and the organizations that drive this narrative were Jewish-created and are Jewish-dominated. That's true and not falsely conspiratorial.
Jews are actually very proud of their work in the "Civil Rights" movement and brag about it constantly. You might as well deny that communism -- which also pushed this pro-black destabilization efforts -- was not also Jewish-dominated.
It's not "all" the fault of Jews. But the Jewish element IS DEFINITELY a lynchpin in the modern White Guilt coalition, the single strongest, most coherent, most ruthless and goal-oriented, most consistent, most effective element. Most of the other elements are individualist, basically. The Jewish element of this coalition is highly disciplined.
That being said, the real contentious issue is "why." There are at least two main camps on this, and those who want to mock one side or the other need to start from there to have a leg to stand on and not look ridiculous.
Whites and blacks have a special relationship. Maybe a toxic one, maybe one a lot of people on both sides want to escape but special.
The newcomers to America that blacks and progressives so gleefully cheered on as a means of breaking white demographic hegemony have neither the instinctive tendency towards centering blacks that (progressive) whites do, nor an instinctive in-group tendency towards blacks. They have their own concerns and their own interests.
I can't believe Democrats actually sold African-Americans on being replaced in the American moral/socioeconomic hierarchy in the name of "owning the whites".
I have a black friend who visited me in LA a few years ago—he is a writer and MSNBCophile—and as we drove through the city I pointed out all the many large construction sites that were filled with Latino workers, w very few black faces if any at all, and tried to convince him that these people had been imported to do the jobs young black men should be doing, or that more or less mass importation of manual labor was harming his people and taking what could be middle-class jobs for them.
He squirmed and got mad, simply refused to see it never mind admit or even think about it—I think the educated cohort of black people were indoctrinated to believe that whatever helps black/brown people (aka whatever hurts or diminishes whitey) was automatically good for them, the ultimate goal of their cause.
That their cause had long since been hijacked by grifters who just wanted large checks from the DNC and its allies never dawned on them, nor did it dawn on them that their sacred historical march to Justice could just fizzle out and they could as easily be replaced as any Midwestern white factory worker.
Once again, black Americans serve as the mules for other peoples’ purposes, as they always have.
As Steve has pointed out, the current D party is held together by the glue of Hate Whitey. The true believer folks in it truly believe that what they want is held by whitey and not from each other; if only those stingy and racist Scrooges and Mr. Potters gave them what was unjustly stolen from them, the world would be paradise.
Pointing out the opposite and they are actually in competition with one another is a Plato's Parable of the Caves moment; you'll be torn to pieces for ripping at their delusion. Tread carefully.
Construction in Washington DC is similar to that of Los Angeles. Whites are the foremen and Hispanics do the physical work. Few blacks are involved. The liberal Jew who owned the building where I rented once told me that none of the new buildings of Washington would have been built without the labor of Hispanics.
After the OJ verdict, with blacks openly celebrating it, and then 9/11, the black thing faded into the background as people who remembered the verdict soured on blacks and terrorism became America's Big Bad. It took until 2008 for the hate-whitey thing to revamp under milquetoast front man Obama.
"Just a few years ago, hiring more black women into jobs they weren’t qualified for was just about the highest priority of the Establishment. But the DEIsters wore out their welcome so fast that, at the moment, few who aren’t collecting a DEI paycheck are actively lamenting their grift getting shut down."
Right, because the DEIsters were never that popular among their own community(ies) to begin with.
Educational polarization means educational polarization. It was a world-historical mistake to think a normie Latino cares about the sort of person getting paid inordinate amounts of money to enforce terms like "Latinx".
Ya, they have to act like it's bad and then do little about it. Most of the response I have seen among my lefty friends shows a willful ignorance of the programs. They state outright that as long as it is (as JFK proposed) then it's a good thing and obviously no one is for the caricature (you know, the super accurate caricature) presented by the right. So they agree in principle and don't realize this means they agree in reality.
"So far, there seems to have been more media focus on comic examples of incompetence ensuing from DOGE’s move fast and break things approach, like firing hundreds of federal employees at the National Nuclear Security Administration, such as workers who assemble and disassemble nuclear weapons, then trying to hire over 90% of them back.
To cut intelligently requires trustworthy insiders who understand the lay of the land, and they can take awhile to find in different federal agencies."
On the other hand, Musk's DOGE stumbling upon the massively widespread (potentially) corruption and perhaps even nefarious goings on of Cold War Era federal program like USAID, if it were drastically cut or reduced, that would more than balance out the books, so to speak, regarding if DOGE is doing some good for the budget, as well as the nation by ridding corruption in high places.
USAID, if it continues to be handled sincerely and continues to find more and more corruption, waste, and billions of dollars of potential taxpayer theft, could in fact become a catchall symbol of the 2020's regarding widespread corruption in DC.
DOGE finding that USAID directly has used DEI methods to achieve nefarious NGO goings on abroad as well as at home.
To which one could say, "Thanks, DOGE! For uncovering it all."
That's a billion and a half a month. To successfully do his Ukraine deal, Trump needs to be able to change the Ukraine narrative. Today's 'The Hill' has an anti-Zelensky article. https://thehill.com/opinion/5146149-zelensky-war-ego/
As far as the accuracy of the Ukrainian narrative, the NYT reported North Korean Troops have disappeared from Kursk. https://responsiblestatecraft.org/north-korea-troops-in-russia/ . So they mysteriously appeared in time to become a talking point, Ukraine beat them like a rented mule, then they mysteriously disappeared? The point being that certain parts of the narrative are built on weak pillars.
Maybe just no one wants to talk about the Ukraine portion of USAID. If it is quietly moved to the State Department, Trump can use it to Hamer on Zelensky. And it isn't going to kill a lot of AIDS patients. So the WSJ burries it at the bottom of an article.
I'm not trying to invite debate on the Ukraine situation...just point out their intersection with other MAGA themes and what I consider unusual media behavior.
Yes, but the larger point remains--over the decades, USAID itself has become a mostly corrupt, wasteful spending agency, with very little direct Congressional oversight, all at taxpayer expense.
Either USAID should be: disbanded all together, or, folded up under the State Department (with Congressional oversight, obviously). Over the decades, USAID has directly funded NGO's, planning revolutions/overthrows of governments that aren't friendly to US global interests, to say nothing of dabbling in domestic policies (e.g. going after the President during his first term and helping to hype the Russian narrative), as well as fostering LGBT politics around the world, to name one example of policies that it dirctly has supported in recent years.
The majority of the US public would be all for drastically reducing USAID's influence in domestic politics, as well as reducing its overall total budget. A win win for DOGE, and ultimately, for the President as well.
I agree with you. My point was a bit off topic The non military aid to Ukraine and Israel is over $20 billion out of $41. This got heavy media attention, but went unmentioned. I find that odd/interesting. That's all.
I wonder if the non-military aid to Ukraine was an addition to USAID's usual budget or displaced other spending, and if the latter, just what was kicked to the curb?
because you quoted "then trying to hire 90% of them back", and mistakenly assumed that I wrote that part, of which I didn't.
The point being, that most experts concede that the US government is overbloated, and that there is corruption as well as incompetence at various levels. These problems have to be directly addressed. For better or worse, DOGE has great potential to make a lasting real difference as well as improvement in the overall size of government, as well as reducing the level of corruption.
And, so far, no other credible alternative to reducing the size of government, weeding out corruption, and attempting to alleviate the long term problems have been proposed by the other side (they haven't made proposals as far ranging as DOGE in decades).
If these problems aren't addressed now at this time, then the US is merely kicking the can down the road, leaving the next generation to worry about addressing these problems. And then one day, the government goes bankrupt, and extreme drastic measures need to be applied, whether the perpetual naysayers like it or not.
Yes, but eventually, over time if nothing is done to help reduce the national debt, as well as reduce various government programs, the government will cease to function properly without drastic solutions.
And the main point remains--that like it or not, DOGE is doing some good in helping to highlight government programs that need to be drastically cut, and/or reduced in wasteful spending, as well as helping to eliminate any corruption in various government programs.
As the Democratic party as yet to offer an alternative solution to helping to reduce government debt by eliminating wasteful spending, corruption within government programs, then it is reasonable to conclude that they do not have an actual alternative plan to reduce the national debt. In point of fact, neither of the two parties have offered a constructive plan to help reduce the debt, as well as eliminate wasteful spending for decades.
DOGE is offering this as well as going one better--targeting any form of corruption within government programs themselves that should be rooted out and removed.
Perhaps if it is shown that DOGE's actions helps to make significant steps to reducing the national debt while removing wasteful spending (and as before removing corruption within the programs themselves), then perhaps some of the moderates of both parties will begin to support DOGE's actions and help to convince both wings that DOGE is a good thing overall to support.
Counterpoint: DEI is more a jobs racket for white women, rather than black ones.
Careerist white women's primary competitors are white men. Black women (and men) are useful as cannon-fodder to justify disqualifying white men. But the result is that white women become the top of the heap. They don't think black women are capable enough even with a thumb on the scale, and in any case, there aren't that many of them competing.
(While they do view Asian women as serious competition, there aren't enough Asian women competing for that to be an issue.)
Mostly agree - DEI is primarily about white and black women, with the former enjoying open displays of allyship but not really believing the latter should be in charge. Passive beneficiaries of DEI are usually pleasant but those that are actively looking to implement or benefit from it are awful. The white ones typically are anti white male and the black ones have an incredible over estimation of their wisdom and abilities.
DEI will continue to some extent in the government and NFP space simply because they attract a certain type of person and are not that interesting to others, which I can largely live with.
In my experience it wasn't black women who have been hostile toward me (many have been surprisingly nice and accommodating), but rather somewhat older, politically-correct white ladies in hr with an honorable mention going to politically engaged homosexuals.
They have been relentless in their gatekeeping. Show any sign of independent thought as a straight white male and your resume is instantly round-filed. I essentially gave up on white collar work because of this -- I'm constitutionally incapable of lying for self-advancement, which today is a real disability.
> many have been surprisingly nice and accommodating
Shit, if someone gave me an easy white-collar job that was impossible to get fired from, I would probably be surprisingly nice and accommodating at work to my colleagues as well
My experience is similar. I have had almost entirely good experiences with the middle class black women I encounter in my jobs and personal life. From my point of view the black analog of the young white woman in problem glasses is only seen on TV. White problem glasses women who want you to check your privilege, however, were everywhere in Silicon Valley.
"In my experience it wasn't black women who have been hostile toward me (many have been surprisingly nice and accommodating)"
That's been my experience as well after 40 years on Army active duty officer and as a civilian. I've worked with many good black American women. The white gals I served with alternated between competent, "one of the guys" Tomboy types who I would definitely go into combat with, or the "feminist chip on the shoulder" type frenemies, or the just incompetent "how did you get past the recruiter" types (but in fairness plenty of men filled that bill as well).
"I'm constitutionally incapable of lying for self-advancement", so you have a strong sense of personal honor, as in "a man's word is his bond" (I can still hear my dad and grandad saying that to me). Duly noted and you will be reported to HR promptly.
Rather surprisingly for the non-political funnyman, Barry pointed out in 2009 that the media had just all decided to forget Obama went to a hate-whitey preacher for 20 years and named his book after one of his sermons, which bothered Barry.
I've just about given up on Twitter as paying Blue Checks for engagement has distorted incentives. Sadly BlueSky seems to suck as all they do is talk about how awful Twitter is
So, is the collapse of DEI similar to, say, the collapse of the old Warsaw Pact Communist Parties, or is it more like the collapse of the Tulip mania of the 1630s or the South Sea Bubble of 1720? On the one hand, DEI shares with communism a quasi-religious attitude toward social/political life, but, on the other, it does seem to share with the short-lived bubbles the characteristics of a mind virus associated with the irrationality of crowd behavior.
Go woke, go broke. Bud Lite made a huge impression. Nike is killing itself trying to make women's sports attractive to a wide audience.
Lea Thompson was the poster child of how not to sell transgenderism.
Corporate America want's to comply with anything that isn't too expensive. Once the litigation burden seemed about to shift against DEI, it was no longer either safe or cheap, it was gone.
Marc Andreessen commented that businesses knew they were being held hostage by about 20% of their employees, but what could you do? They were the future, after all. Bud Lite and the failure of the wokest Disney movies gave those corporations a permission structure to resist the worst excesses. Then there was the defection of the tech titans and a handful of the most influential Jews after October 7. Meanwhile liberal institutions like museums and newsrooms had experienced the worst effects of DEI and are little inclined to speak up for it now. So
after the Democrats realized DEI was a vote-killer among Latinos and black men that leaves its natural defenders as black women (who are just too tired to do much now).
There's also the little fact that the Supreme Court basically cancelled affirmative action in 2023's Students v. Harvard decision. The corporate world has been slow to catch on because 1) despite their "Think Different"-type propaganda, they are in reality extremely conformist and don't want to be the first one to come to the logical conclusion of that decision, 2) during the Biden administration, everyone knew the DoJ wasn't gonna act on it, and 3) last time Trump was in the Oval Office, he changed very little, so the upcoming election held little terror.
But now that it turns out Trump actually is swapping out masses of Feds and rubbishing DEI, corporate execs may start to notice that hiring based on skin color and gender not only doesn't pay dividends, it's actually creating massive new liabilities: disgruntled white people are starting to win civil rights cases. The new advice from the corporate legal department is, "Just hire based on merit; it's the only 'safe harbor' now."
"Just hire on merit"?!? What kind of insane, topsy-turvy world have we entered?!?
I agree with your sentiment here. I'm not certain that what we are experiencing in the second Trump administration won't be remembered in the way that we remember the short-lived success of Julian the Apostate, who attempted to reinvigorate the paganism of the Roman Empire, only to have his death followed by the complete annihilation of it by Christianity.
This suggests Wokeness has put down serious roots:
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More Americans identify as LGBTQ+ than ever before, poll finds
By Kristen Rogers, CNN
February 20, 2025
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The proportion of American adults who identify as LGBTQ+ has risen to 9.3% of the population, according to a Gallup Poll [...]
The proportion of the population identifying as lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender or non-heterosexual has nearly doubled since 2020 and has jumped from 3.5% since 2012, when it was first measured by Gallup [...]
[Identifying as LGBTQ+ as of 2024:] 31% of women versus 12% of men in Gen Z [born 1997-2006], and 18% of women versus 9% of men among millennials [born 1981-1996].
Based on friends' Facebook posts, the left is still exhausted and dejected. The most they can manage is to call out Trump when his near constant use of hyperbole can be shown to be factually not literal. If you poke them, though, they will lash out. They are dealing with a lot.
I agree completely. There's disarray at the moment, but the power bases on the left run wide and deep. They still have access to a lot of money and political influence. The universities remain massive reservoirs of oikophobic contempt, with thousands upon thousands of arrogant world-savers hatching their self-glorifying schemes. The labels may change, but the underlying impulses won't, at least not in the short run.
Corporate America is a different story. There's certainly some evidence of course change there -- even Disney has blinked. But again, they're going to come under renewed assault from the NGOs and the academics to knuckle back under. At least let's live in hope that we won't be paying for it this time around.
"The terminology of Civil Rights, Equality, Justice, etc. had an almost religious feeling to it. DEI pointed out the absurdity of it just by its own word, which means 'of God' in Latin. You may have not noticed your pattern, but your brain did." -- Sid, X commentator (@SidPolitics)
"DEI IS DEAD" as the linguistic close cousin to "GOD IS DEAD"?
The old joke is that when Armageddon happens you’ll want to be in France because everything happens three years later there.
Wokeness is an American cultural export and is (in descending order) most practiced in the anglophone world, rest of Europe, and Latin America. I’ll stop there as I’m at the limits of my cultural knowledge.
I’m curious as to how much and when it will be rolled back around the rest of the world.
DEI, which I view as the most perverse form of legalized discrimination, required enormous amounts of mind-numbing attention that had to be paid for. It will not be missed. It made no customer happier; no shareholder wealthier; no employee more productive. Employees who made it their sole activity need to quickly re-invent themselves.
In muffled voices of course, I bet many corporate managers are happy to get rid of DEI deadweight. After all, the purpose of a corporation is to make profit and not be some sort of racial therapeutic exercise.
I wonder if situations like the Jackson, Mississippi sewage treatment system going by the boards a few years back fueled the resistance to DEI. 85 % black city, nearly all-black bureaucracy, black engineers for the sewage treatment system. The system was poorly run and drinking the Jackson water became dangerous. The white conservative Republican state government had to intervene and take over from the black government and its engineers.
My friend thinks that the Dems can just turn blm back on whenever they want while I've long argued that blacks as a moral cudgel against white Americans is dead for at least the next decade and probably for the rest of my life
You're righter on more things than your friend, but the massive phalanx of nice white ladies has not yet been, and likely never will be defeated and deterred from their mission to undermine a competitive, forward-facing American colossus. Your friend's got you on that one
Nice white ladies are a problem. They fail to see the world as it is and not as what they want it to be.
Its not nice white ladies; its angry white-hating Jewish women leading their angry purple-haired, SSRI-disabled, father-hating goyim white sisters.
Not if we can’t get at least 12 years of Trump/Vance.
The increasingly Hispanic electorate doesn't care about black people
Will they care about losing DEI positions/set-asides and income?
The funny thing is, I don't really see Latinos in over their heads due to DEI. They seem content to seek their level, do a competent job, and go home for the day.
I think a lot of them also find white people pretty cool. They seem to really enjoy the Marine Corps.
Hispanics are more likely to live among blacks. They don't like them.
There is no reason to believe this. There are few blacks in San Antonio, El Paso, or other places with large Hispanic populations.
I can assure you that east of the Mississippi in the large cities, blacks and Hispanics live side by side. They don't like each other very much.
And what city eat of the Mississippi has the largest Hispanic population and what zip code best supports one's hypothesis.
The Civil Rights Era (roughly just passing its 60th bday) where black people reside at the center of the American moral universe and your attitude/deference toward them defines your moral and social worth (see: Steve Sailer) is giving way to our postracial future, where Asians (East and South) and Latinos will have more power and much less racial guilt to be exploited (if any at all).
The Golden Age of White Guilt is receding, though of course it may be jolted alive a few more times this decade. We'll have to see the next time a white cop snuffs out a black dude.
I am certain "White cop kills Black man" stories happen every week in some number. The only question was when The Media wanted to focus on them.
"As of November 17, 277 Black people were killed by the police in the United States in 2024. " https://www.statista.com/statistics/1124036/number-people-killed-police-ethnicity-us/
This isn't exactly the same question, but I would think that it does happen every week. Not that it's unjustified.
I implied nothing. I pointed out that the numbers I provided do indeed imply that "White cop kills Black man" DOES happen every week. I'm not responsible for the gremlins my words generate in your head.
That's a rate of six Blacks killed after confrontations by police every week, and presumably several times that injured in similar circumstances.
If at least one-sixth of the police involved are White, the rate is going to be one or more per week.
White cornerback intercepts black quarterback and scores touchdown in Super Bowl. I bet the NFL public relations department didn't like that.
"where Asians (East and South) and Latinos will have more power and much less racial guilt to be exploited (if any at all)."
---I dunno. With Ellis Island immigrants --who showed up *after* the Civil War, owned no slaves, and had to deal with black street crime in their face for decades until they moved out of the cities---they managed to make their kids and grandkids feel bad for blacks and feel guilt (for doing nothing!).
East Asians and Hispanics now may be not caring about black issues, but their kids and grand kids can be converted. Already you can see east asian and hispanic comedians who are the sons and daughters of immigrants spouting the same guilt-tripping lines about being privileged over blacks and such. The propaganda machine goes hard.
yeah i see your point for sure but I would add that all these prior generations (most esp if they were college-educated) were raised in the Civil Rights era where Civil Rights morality is/was a class marker and social signal—more or less being, the more you mock whitey and pity black people the more morally enlightened you are;
and as for the asian and latino kids born and/or raised here in the past 30ish years, the smart ones know that you'll never climb the social/career ladder without burning a pinch of incense to the gods of white guilt and that (esp in the Social Justice era) performing as a "minoritized" victim of white supremacy opened almost every door.
But I would see this cohort as more of a harbinger of our postracial future, not its instantation. But whether the Civil Rights era ends tomorrow or lives another decade it will be the black people who sell words and/or grievances for a living who will find themselves displaced, as their currency will be seriously devalued and their skin color will no longer carry the heavy symbolic weight that allows it to work also as a credential.
I disagree. So long as Jews run the social justice propaganda in this country, blacks grievances will always be shoved down people's (especially children's) throats until a critical mass of guilt is reached.
As Steve has pointed out, Jews have long used black grievance guilt as a Trojan horse/cover/front to run to prevent people from turning on Jews. The theory is simple: so long as people are obsessing/noticing grievances/feeling guilty over the loud, criminally violent blacks they won't notice Jewish misbehavior as much. And so long as people feel guilt over blacks despite black behavior they will be so emotionally confused they won't be able to get angry at Jewish misbehavior (or notice that it is specifically Jewish in nature) without feeling some guilt about it.
Jewish enthusiastically started and supported black-grievance orgs like the NAACP (along with displaced WASPs who hated that the Ellis Island Irish/Italians were taking over). Jews went after Jim Crow in the 50s because it pitted blacks as victims against evil whites (much of it under Moscow-communist direction to destabilize the most anti-communist part of the nation). Jews have long tried to "organize" blacks into communist-run unions for this end, and encouraged black bad behavior (soft on crime, selling drugs to them) to terrorize whites and keep the confusion going.
And of course predictably when smarter blacks (such as Elijah Muhammed or Malcolm X) realize the game and turn on Jews suddenly the movements slow down/collapse and Jews start playing the victim. The similarities of this scenario to the old Jewish Golem story have long been noted, where the Golem turns on the Jewish rabbi who brings him to life to serve as his muscle.
https://infogalactic.com/info/Golem#The_classic_narrative:_The_Golem_of_Prague
The Hispanic and Asian children in this country are just as prone to powerful Jewish pro-black propaganda as Ellis Island whites were. It merely takes time for it to take hold of the youth. The immigrant "racist grandfather" trope exists precisely because the grandkids are already taught to be embarrassed by the frank view on race relations.
yes it's all the Jews fault! I knew it! Thanks
While you're mocking, this is very largely a Jewish-caused issue. Before mass Eastern European Jewish migration, this kind of propaganda and guilt-mongering didn't exist in the U.S., and the organizations that drive this narrative were Jewish-created and are Jewish-dominated. That's true and not falsely conspiratorial.
Jews are actually very proud of their work in the "Civil Rights" movement and brag about it constantly. You might as well deny that communism -- which also pushed this pro-black destabilization efforts -- was not also Jewish-dominated.
It's not "all" the fault of Jews. But the Jewish element IS DEFINITELY a lynchpin in the modern White Guilt coalition, the single strongest, most coherent, most ruthless and goal-oriented, most consistent, most effective element. Most of the other elements are individualist, basically. The Jewish element of this coalition is highly disciplined.
That being said, the real contentious issue is "why." There are at least two main camps on this, and those who want to mock one side or the other need to start from there to have a leg to stand on and not look ridiculous.
Next to Muslims, the most anti-Semitic people in the world are blacks. Yet Jews coddle them. It is bizarre.
"Jews" don't do anything of the sort. Some do, some don't.
Whites and blacks have a special relationship. Maybe a toxic one, maybe one a lot of people on both sides want to escape but special.
The newcomers to America that blacks and progressives so gleefully cheered on as a means of breaking white demographic hegemony have neither the instinctive tendency towards centering blacks that (progressive) whites do, nor an instinctive in-group tendency towards blacks. They have their own concerns and their own interests.
I can't believe Democrats actually sold African-Americans on being replaced in the American moral/socioeconomic hierarchy in the name of "owning the whites".
I have a black friend who visited me in LA a few years ago—he is a writer and MSNBCophile—and as we drove through the city I pointed out all the many large construction sites that were filled with Latino workers, w very few black faces if any at all, and tried to convince him that these people had been imported to do the jobs young black men should be doing, or that more or less mass importation of manual labor was harming his people and taking what could be middle-class jobs for them.
He squirmed and got mad, simply refused to see it never mind admit or even think about it—I think the educated cohort of black people were indoctrinated to believe that whatever helps black/brown people (aka whatever hurts or diminishes whitey) was automatically good for them, the ultimate goal of their cause.
That their cause had long since been hijacked by grifters who just wanted large checks from the DNC and its allies never dawned on them, nor did it dawn on them that their sacred historical march to Justice could just fizzle out and they could as easily be replaced as any Midwestern white factory worker.
Once again, black Americans serve as the mules for other peoples’ purposes, as they always have.
As Steve has pointed out, the current D party is held together by the glue of Hate Whitey. The true believer folks in it truly believe that what they want is held by whitey and not from each other; if only those stingy and racist Scrooges and Mr. Potters gave them what was unjustly stolen from them, the world would be paradise.
Pointing out the opposite and they are actually in competition with one another is a Plato's Parable of the Caves moment; you'll be torn to pieces for ripping at their delusion. Tread carefully.
You should find other friends.
Construction in Washington DC is similar to that of Los Angeles. Whites are the foremen and Hispanics do the physical work. Few blacks are involved. The liberal Jew who owned the building where I rented once told me that none of the new buildings of Washington would have been built without the labor of Hispanics.
If he wasn't willing to pay White wages there was no need for them to be built.
After the OJ verdict, with blacks openly celebrating it, and then 9/11, the black thing faded into the background as people who remembered the verdict soured on blacks and terrorism became America's Big Bad. It took until 2008 for the hate-whitey thing to revamp under milquetoast front man Obama.
OJ's acquittal was a day of rapture for black Americans. A Day of Jubilee.
"Just a few years ago, hiring more black women into jobs they weren’t qualified for was just about the highest priority of the Establishment. But the DEIsters wore out their welcome so fast that, at the moment, few who aren’t collecting a DEI paycheck are actively lamenting their grift getting shut down."
Right, because the DEIsters were never that popular among their own community(ies) to begin with.
Educational polarization means educational polarization. It was a world-historical mistake to think a normie Latino cares about the sort of person getting paid inordinate amounts of money to enforce terms like "Latinx".
Correct. No one cares about DEI (except as you note the black women working it). Even Dems mostly don’t like it. I expect little fuss.
Ya, they have to act like it's bad and then do little about it. Most of the response I have seen among my lefty friends shows a willful ignorance of the programs. They state outright that as long as it is (as JFK proposed) then it's a good thing and obviously no one is for the caricature (you know, the super accurate caricature) presented by the right. So they agree in principle and don't realize this means they agree in reality.
"So far, there seems to have been more media focus on comic examples of incompetence ensuing from DOGE’s move fast and break things approach, like firing hundreds of federal employees at the National Nuclear Security Administration, such as workers who assemble and disassemble nuclear weapons, then trying to hire over 90% of them back.
To cut intelligently requires trustworthy insiders who understand the lay of the land, and they can take awhile to find in different federal agencies."
On the other hand, Musk's DOGE stumbling upon the massively widespread (potentially) corruption and perhaps even nefarious goings on of Cold War Era federal program like USAID, if it were drastically cut or reduced, that would more than balance out the books, so to speak, regarding if DOGE is doing some good for the budget, as well as the nation by ridding corruption in high places.
USAID, if it continues to be handled sincerely and continues to find more and more corruption, waste, and billions of dollars of potential taxpayer theft, could in fact become a catchall symbol of the 2020's regarding widespread corruption in DC.
DOGE finding that USAID directly has used DEI methods to achieve nefarious NGO goings on abroad as well as at home.
To which one could say, "Thanks, DOGE! For uncovering it all."
It hasn't been widely commented on, but USAID has $17 billion budgeted for non military Ukraine aid. https://www.wsj.com/politics/policy/how-much-the-u-s-spent-on-foreign-aidand-where-it-went-a8c66088.
That's a third of it.
That's a billion and a half a month. To successfully do his Ukraine deal, Trump needs to be able to change the Ukraine narrative. Today's 'The Hill' has an anti-Zelensky article. https://thehill.com/opinion/5146149-zelensky-war-ego/
As far as the accuracy of the Ukrainian narrative, the NYT reported North Korean Troops have disappeared from Kursk. https://responsiblestatecraft.org/north-korea-troops-in-russia/ . So they mysteriously appeared in time to become a talking point, Ukraine beat them like a rented mule, then they mysteriously disappeared? The point being that certain parts of the narrative are built on weak pillars.
Maybe just no one wants to talk about the Ukraine portion of USAID. If it is quietly moved to the State Department, Trump can use it to Hamer on Zelensky. And it isn't going to kill a lot of AIDS patients. So the WSJ burries it at the bottom of an article.
I'm not trying to invite debate on the Ukraine situation...just point out their intersection with other MAGA themes and what I consider unusual media behavior.
Yes, but the larger point remains--over the decades, USAID itself has become a mostly corrupt, wasteful spending agency, with very little direct Congressional oversight, all at taxpayer expense.
Either USAID should be: disbanded all together, or, folded up under the State Department (with Congressional oversight, obviously). Over the decades, USAID has directly funded NGO's, planning revolutions/overthrows of governments that aren't friendly to US global interests, to say nothing of dabbling in domestic policies (e.g. going after the President during his first term and helping to hype the Russian narrative), as well as fostering LGBT politics around the world, to name one example of policies that it dirctly has supported in recent years.
The majority of the US public would be all for drastically reducing USAID's influence in domestic politics, as well as reducing its overall total budget. A win win for DOGE, and ultimately, for the President as well.
I agree with you. My point was a bit off topic The non military aid to Ukraine and Israel is over $20 billion out of $41. This got heavy media attention, but went unmentioned. I find that odd/interesting. That's all.
I wonder if the non-military aid to Ukraine was an addition to USAID's usual budget or displaced other spending, and if the latter, just what was kicked to the curb?
"...then trying to hire over 90% of them back."
Is this supposed to be difficult or (in the grand scheme of things) costly?
Are nuclear weapons assemblers/disassemblers finding better paid jobs in large numbers?
That was part of Steve's post.
I know. Why would you think otherwise?
because you quoted "then trying to hire 90% of them back", and mistakenly assumed that I wrote that part, of which I didn't.
The point being, that most experts concede that the US government is overbloated, and that there is corruption as well as incompetence at various levels. These problems have to be directly addressed. For better or worse, DOGE has great potential to make a lasting real difference as well as improvement in the overall size of government, as well as reducing the level of corruption.
And, so far, no other credible alternative to reducing the size of government, weeding out corruption, and attempting to alleviate the long term problems have been proposed by the other side (they haven't made proposals as far ranging as DOGE in decades).
If these problems aren't addressed now at this time, then the US is merely kicking the can down the road, leaving the next generation to worry about addressing these problems. And then one day, the government goes bankrupt, and extreme drastic measures need to be applied, whether the perpetual naysayers like it or not.
"...you... mistakenly assumed that I wrote that part" is entirely in your imagination.
We have a fiat currency. The government can't go bankrupt. It can inflict hyperinflation, but that's different.
Ok, whatever.
Yes, but eventually, over time if nothing is done to help reduce the national debt, as well as reduce various government programs, the government will cease to function properly without drastic solutions.
And the main point remains--that like it or not, DOGE is doing some good in helping to highlight government programs that need to be drastically cut, and/or reduced in wasteful spending, as well as helping to eliminate any corruption in various government programs.
As the Democratic party as yet to offer an alternative solution to helping to reduce government debt by eliminating wasteful spending, corruption within government programs, then it is reasonable to conclude that they do not have an actual alternative plan to reduce the national debt. In point of fact, neither of the two parties have offered a constructive plan to help reduce the debt, as well as eliminate wasteful spending for decades.
DOGE is offering this as well as going one better--targeting any form of corruption within government programs themselves that should be rooted out and removed.
Perhaps if it is shown that DOGE's actions helps to make significant steps to reducing the national debt while removing wasteful spending (and as before removing corruption within the programs themselves), then perhaps some of the moderates of both parties will begin to support DOGE's actions and help to convince both wings that DOGE is a good thing overall to support.
“There’s an endless amount of documentation published by the promoters of DEI demonstrating their racist and sexist hostility.”
Anyone know a website that has tracked/archived this?
NYTimes.com, WashingtonPost.com, TheAtlantic.com, etc etc
LOL
Counterpoint: DEI is more a jobs racket for white women, rather than black ones.
Careerist white women's primary competitors are white men. Black women (and men) are useful as cannon-fodder to justify disqualifying white men. But the result is that white women become the top of the heap. They don't think black women are capable enough even with a thumb on the scale, and in any case, there aren't that many of them competing.
(While they do view Asian women as serious competition, there aren't enough Asian women competing for that to be an issue.)
Mostly agree - DEI is primarily about white and black women, with the former enjoying open displays of allyship but not really believing the latter should be in charge. Passive beneficiaries of DEI are usually pleasant but those that are actively looking to implement or benefit from it are awful. The white ones typically are anti white male and the black ones have an incredible over estimation of their wisdom and abilities.
DEI will continue to some extent in the government and NFP space simply because they attract a certain type of person and are not that interesting to others, which I can largely live with.
In my experience it wasn't black women who have been hostile toward me (many have been surprisingly nice and accommodating), but rather somewhat older, politically-correct white ladies in hr with an honorable mention going to politically engaged homosexuals.
They have been relentless in their gatekeeping. Show any sign of independent thought as a straight white male and your resume is instantly round-filed. I essentially gave up on white collar work because of this -- I'm constitutionally incapable of lying for self-advancement, which today is a real disability.
> many have been surprisingly nice and accommodating
Shit, if someone gave me an easy white-collar job that was impossible to get fired from, I would probably be surprisingly nice and accommodating at work to my colleagues as well
My experience is similar. I have had almost entirely good experiences with the middle class black women I encounter in my jobs and personal life. From my point of view the black analog of the young white woman in problem glasses is only seen on TV. White problem glasses women who want you to check your privilege, however, were everywhere in Silicon Valley.
"In my experience it wasn't black women who have been hostile toward me (many have been surprisingly nice and accommodating)"
That's been my experience as well after 40 years on Army active duty officer and as a civilian. I've worked with many good black American women. The white gals I served with alternated between competent, "one of the guys" Tomboy types who I would definitely go into combat with, or the "feminist chip on the shoulder" type frenemies, or the just incompetent "how did you get past the recruiter" types (but in fairness plenty of men filled that bill as well).
"I'm constitutionally incapable of lying for self-advancement", so you have a strong sense of personal honor, as in "a man's word is his bond" (I can still hear my dad and grandad saying that to me). Duly noted and you will be reported to HR promptly.
AWFL Karens are the worst Karens
O/T
I am still confused by your use of TK in the headline of your last post. Can you explain what it means?
TK is a journalism abbreviation for "to come."
Shit, that's what I get for looking at Urban Dictionary rather than Wikipedia, where it has its own page
More confident than TBD?
Dave Barry made famous the phrase "a good name for a rock band."
Well, a bad name for a rock band would be TBA.
Dave's rock band was The Federal Duck.
I actually listened to their album. It was sort of OK, but not good.
Rather surprisingly for the non-political funnyman, Barry pointed out in 2009 that the media had just all decided to forget Obama went to a hate-whitey preacher for 20 years and named his book after one of his sermons, which bothered Barry.
> Twitter would instantly collapse
I've just about given up on Twitter as paying Blue Checks for engagement has distorted incentives. Sadly BlueSky seems to suck as all they do is talk about how awful Twitter is
I haven't checked in on Blue Sky in a month, but it was quite dull back then.
So, is the collapse of DEI similar to, say, the collapse of the old Warsaw Pact Communist Parties, or is it more like the collapse of the Tulip mania of the 1630s or the South Sea Bubble of 1720? On the one hand, DEI shares with communism a quasi-religious attitude toward social/political life, but, on the other, it does seem to share with the short-lived bubbles the characteristics of a mind virus associated with the irrationality of crowd behavior.
Good questions.
Go woke, go broke. Bud Lite made a huge impression. Nike is killing itself trying to make women's sports attractive to a wide audience.
Lea Thompson was the poster child of how not to sell transgenderism.
Corporate America want's to comply with anything that isn't too expensive. Once the litigation burden seemed about to shift against DEI, it was no longer either safe or cheap, it was gone.
Tulip Mania.
Marc Andreessen commented that businesses knew they were being held hostage by about 20% of their employees, but what could you do? They were the future, after all. Bud Lite and the failure of the wokest Disney movies gave those corporations a permission structure to resist the worst excesses. Then there was the defection of the tech titans and a handful of the most influential Jews after October 7. Meanwhile liberal institutions like museums and newsrooms had experienced the worst effects of DEI and are little inclined to speak up for it now. So
after the Democrats realized DEI was a vote-killer among Latinos and black men that leaves its natural defenders as black women (who are just too tired to do much now).
There's also the little fact that the Supreme Court basically cancelled affirmative action in 2023's Students v. Harvard decision. The corporate world has been slow to catch on because 1) despite their "Think Different"-type propaganda, they are in reality extremely conformist and don't want to be the first one to come to the logical conclusion of that decision, 2) during the Biden administration, everyone knew the DoJ wasn't gonna act on it, and 3) last time Trump was in the Oval Office, he changed very little, so the upcoming election held little terror.
But now that it turns out Trump actually is swapping out masses of Feds and rubbishing DEI, corporate execs may start to notice that hiring based on skin color and gender not only doesn't pay dividends, it's actually creating massive new liabilities: disgruntled white people are starting to win civil rights cases. The new advice from the corporate legal department is, "Just hire based on merit; it's the only 'safe harbor' now."
"Just hire on merit"?!? What kind of insane, topsy-turvy world have we entered?!?
Why are people assuming just because there is a retreat from the three-letter slogan DEI, that the underlying ideology has also "collapsed"?
I agree with your sentiment here. I'm not certain that what we are experiencing in the second Trump administration won't be remembered in the way that we remember the short-lived success of Julian the Apostate, who attempted to reinvigorate the paganism of the Roman Empire, only to have his death followed by the complete annihilation of it by Christianity.
This suggests Wokeness has put down serious roots:
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More Americans identify as LGBTQ+ than ever before, poll finds
By Kristen Rogers, CNN
February 20, 2025
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The proportion of American adults who identify as LGBTQ+ has risen to 9.3% of the population, according to a Gallup Poll [...]
The proportion of the population identifying as lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender or non-heterosexual has nearly doubled since 2020 and has jumped from 3.5% since 2012, when it was first measured by Gallup [...]
[Identifying as LGBTQ+ as of 2024:] 31% of women versus 12% of men in Gen Z [born 1997-2006], and 18% of women versus 9% of men among millennials [born 1981-1996].
https://lite.cnn.com/2025/02/20/health/lgbtq-population-rise-united-states-wellness/index.html
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I believe many young liberal women identify as bi-sexual because they think it is cool.
That Forbes headline is delightfully Nietzchean.
Based on friends' Facebook posts, the left is still exhausted and dejected. The most they can manage is to call out Trump when his near constant use of hyperbole can be shown to be factually not literal. If you poke them, though, they will lash out. They are dealing with a lot.
You should not expect this paralysis to last.
"You should not expect this paralysis to last."
I agree completely. There's disarray at the moment, but the power bases on the left run wide and deep. They still have access to a lot of money and political influence. The universities remain massive reservoirs of oikophobic contempt, with thousands upon thousands of arrogant world-savers hatching their self-glorifying schemes. The labels may change, but the underlying impulses won't, at least not in the short run.
Corporate America is a different story. There's certainly some evidence of course change there -- even Disney has blinked. But again, they're going to come under renewed assault from the NGOs and the academics to knuckle back under. At least let's live in hope that we won't be paying for it this time around.
"DEI IS DEAD." -- Forbes.
Interesting phrasing, given the following:
"The terminology of Civil Rights, Equality, Justice, etc. had an almost religious feeling to it. DEI pointed out the absurdity of it just by its own word, which means 'of God' in Latin. You may have not noticed your pattern, but your brain did." -- Sid, X commentator (@SidPolitics)
"DEI IS DEAD" as the linguistic close cousin to "GOD IS DEAD"?
WWNS (What Would Nietzsche Say?)
The old joke is that when Armageddon happens you’ll want to be in France because everything happens three years later there.
Wokeness is an American cultural export and is (in descending order) most practiced in the anglophone world, rest of Europe, and Latin America. I’ll stop there as I’m at the limits of my cultural knowledge.
I’m curious as to how much and when it will be rolled back around the rest of the world.
DEI, which I view as the most perverse form of legalized discrimination, required enormous amounts of mind-numbing attention that had to be paid for. It will not be missed. It made no customer happier; no shareholder wealthier; no employee more productive. Employees who made it their sole activity need to quickly re-invent themselves.
In muffled voices of course, I bet many corporate managers are happy to get rid of DEI deadweight. After all, the purpose of a corporation is to make profit and not be some sort of racial therapeutic exercise.
I wonder if situations like the Jackson, Mississippi sewage treatment system going by the boards a few years back fueled the resistance to DEI. 85 % black city, nearly all-black bureaucracy, black engineers for the sewage treatment system. The system was poorly run and drinking the Jackson water became dangerous. The white conservative Republican state government had to intervene and take over from the black government and its engineers.